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Old 09-08-2021, 20:45   #346
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Lead by Donkeys aren't Marxists and I also fail to see how they're fascists. They're just attention seekers.
Yes, I've seen no evidence to demonstrate they're fascists or Marxists and alleging it's the case does not make it so. They're probably just people successful at crowd-funding and evidently looking for somewhere to spend it.

Sainsbury's wouldn't have known that GB News would move to a shock jock format of has-beens without leading light Andrew Neil but GB News viewers still need to eat.
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Old 09-08-2021, 21:15   #347
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Lead by Donkeys aren't Marxists and I also fail to see how they're fascists. They're just attention seekers.
They are aligned with StopFundingHate, said to be hard left Corbynist & Marxists. They’re fascists by trying to shut down and censor (cancel), by virtue of financial means by strangulating ad revenue.
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Old 09-08-2021, 21:35   #348
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That's not fascism though. It's just boycotting, iliberal perhaps, but not fascist. You're not obliged to financially support organisations that you view as running counter to your politics. I think it's pretty stupid to conduct politics by going to Tesco instead of Sainsburys or boycotting Ben and Jerry's because of Palestine but here we are.

The members of it might be Marxist, I don't know, but their campaign isn't Marxist. For a start they were very pro-EU where Marxists view the institution of the European Union as a capitalist project. There is a reason there were suspicions around how Corbyn voted, if he wasn't Labour Leader he almost certainly would have voted to leave.
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That's not fascism though. It's just boycotting, iliberal perhaps, but not fascist. You're not obliged to financially support organisations that you view as running counter to your politics. I think it's pretty stupid to conduct politics by going to Tesco instead of Sainsburys or boycotting Ben and Jerry's because of Palestine but here we are.

The members of it might be Marxist, I don't know, but their campaign isn't Marxist. For a start they were very pro-EU where Marxists view the institution of the European Union as a capitalist project. There is a reason there were suspicions around how Corbyn voted, if he wasn't Labour Leader he almost certainly would have voted to leave.
Agreed, Jeremy Corbyn made Nigel Farage look like a Remainer!
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Old 09-08-2021, 23:22   #350
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Agreed, Jeremy Corbyn made Nigel Farage look like a Remainer!
If you have evidence of this then please post it.
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If you have evidence of this then please post it.
Obviously I'm not being literal but to reference my support of Damien's comment on Corbyn:

Jeremy Corbyn said he voted 'No' to Britain's EU membership in the 1975 vote
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...on-redirect=uk

In 1996, he criticised “a European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody,” and complained that “powers have gone from national parliaments”.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/82...r-Labour-Party

In March 2017 he used a three-line whip to instruct Labour MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, the strongest tool available to him
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883
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Obviously I'm not being literal but to reference my support of Damien's comment on Corbyn:

Jeremy Corbyn said he voted 'No' to Britain's EU membership in the 1975 vote
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...on-redirect=uk

In 1996, he criticised “a European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody,” and complained that “powers have gone from national parliaments”.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/82...r-Labour-Party

In March 2017 he used a three-line whip to instruct Labour MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, the strongest tool available to him


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883
Hmmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36430606

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-uk-stay-in-eu

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ain-eu-corbyn/



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Corbyn’s journey – from Eurosceptic to last line of defence against leaving the EU without a withdrawal agreement, from Socialist rebel to leader of an opposition united against Johnson – is among the most improbable in modern British history.

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GB News seem to be pushing some of the weirder COVID 'treatments': https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/202...id-remedy.html

I think they might be trying to invite a confrontation with Ofcom to drive up publicity for their coming 'relaunch'?
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Old 25-08-2021, 21:59   #354
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GB News seem to be pushing some of the weirder COVID 'treatments': https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/202...id-remedy.html

I think they might be trying to invite a confrontation with Ofcom to drive up publicity for their coming 'relaunch'?
That’s an objective source you’ve procured there. “Gammon Broadcasting” FFS.

I didn’t see the interview or report, however there is nothing wrong in asking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, if they are being trialled, are proper studies being done etc.

They can’t be used yet but are they being properly assessed?

Certainly for those that cannot be vaccinated we must surely be pursuing all other treatments.
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That’s an objective source you’ve procured there. “Gammon Broadcasting” FFS.

I didn’t see the interview or report, however there is nothing wrong in asking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, if they are being trialled, are proper studies being done etc.

They can’t be used yet but are they being properly assessed?

Certainly for those that cannot be vaccinated we must surely be pursuing all other treatments.
Yeah, it's not a great source but the substance of it is the actual discussion. You can ignore the commentary alongside it.

I don't think news companies should be speculating and playing both sides of unproven medical treatments then gloating for getting a reaction for doing so. If there is evidence it can be studied but that's not what's happening, instead, people on the internet have latched onto medical treatments without such studies and now this guy is promoting it on GB News and challenging a Doctor by presenting an opinion article as evidence.

With hydroxychloroquine they looked into this over a year ago. The studies showed it didn't work. It's become some sort of weird meme on the internet to keep pushing it and in some places of the American media.

As I said I wonder if they're trying to provoke a rebuke from the regulator which they can use to hype up a 'war with the establishment'. They must know they can't push this stuff on TV. I am sure there is some regulation from Ofcom on the reporting of medical treatments.
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That’s an objective source you’ve procured there. “Gammon Broadcasting” FFS.

I didn’t see the interview or report, however there is nothing wrong in asking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, if they are being trialled, are proper studies being done etc.

They can’t be used yet but are they being properly assessed?


Certainly for those that cannot be vaccinated we must surely be pursuing all other treatments.
Some info on research below.

https://www.cnet.com/news/is-ivermec...oversial-drug/

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A clinical trial of 476 patients found ivermectin didn't improve the recovery time in patients who had COVID-19. A review of 10 random clinical trials, with more than 1,000 participants, also didn't find improvements with ivermectin. One Egyptian study claimed to show positive results, but it's since been redacted over ethical concerns. Another study, of 1,500 patients, found that ivermectin had "no effect whatsoever."

Merck, the company that discovered ivermectin, released a statement in February saying there was "no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies" and "no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease." It also cited a lack of safety data from major studies.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr...5017.pub2/full
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Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.
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Andrew Neil is expected to quit GB News amid a bitter rift with its senior management and board, dealing a blow to the channel as bosses battle to build an audience.

Plans for the chairman and flagship presenter of the fledgling news network to make a comeback on Monday have been cancelled, and insiders now expect him to resign without returning to its airwaves.

The veteran broadcaster and GB News bosses have failed to set aside their differences, sources said, after relations between Mr Neil and chief executive Angelos Frangopoulos suffered a total breakdown over the direction of the company.

Viewing numbers were initially comparable with those of rivals as the channel sought to present itself as a centre-right alternative to the BBC, but audience levels have since dropped.

Mr Frangopoulos is understood to be mulling a plan to remodel GB News along the lines of opinionated American television channels such as Fox - a proposal thought to have been strongly resisted by Mr Neil.
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I think that's been on the cards ever since he flew to his EU retreat and Farage was hired.
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Like the proverbial rat.

I’m sure he will be fine though, the Establishment will save him from the usual pitfalls of capitalist failure and he will likely get a gig back at the BBC.
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GB News has just been informed of the inevitable: Andrew Neil has resigned as chairman and will step down as a presenter.
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