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Election 2019 - Week 2
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign:
Labour 7 15.91%
Conservative 22 50.00%
Lib Dem 5 11.36%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit 2 4.55%
Green 1 2.27%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 0 0%
SNP 1 2.27%
Irish nationalist 1 2.27%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 2 4.55%
Abstaining 1 2.27%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 2 4.55%
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 18-11-2019, 19:21   #181
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He’s only a millionaire if you take into account his pension fund (he has been an MP for 36 years), and his house (which he has lived in for over 35 years, and terraced house prices in Islington have increased 10 fold in the last 25 years).

Your basically knocking someone for being in the same job and house for over 30 years, and circumstances beyond his control inflating the value of his house and pension.

My house value, savings, and various pension funds add up to just over a million pounds, but strangely enough, I don’t feel like a millionaire...
No I am not knocking him for that at all - rubbish.

I am knocking him because he professes to care about the poor but has a salary over 5 times the average UK Salary. The man is a joke, has been all his life, supporting the wrong side, policies which would weaken the UK.

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This Mirror article tends to disagree with you.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...closed-1844712



It is the jobs lost not the mines closed that is the important metric. You may have small mines that employ a small number of mines for example.

If you are claiming facts, it is very useful to cite your sources. I am afraid "Google is my source" is not good enough
Nicely done - quote from a source that is Anti-Tory, pro Labour, jeez, the shock, I got to lie down.

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You can be sure any money saved from Brexit won't be heading to the Regions. It'll stay in the richest corner of the country. I'm afraid you've been misled. The EU was your safety net.
The Misinformation king, accusing others of being misled, so hilarious.

The EU is not a safety net and never has been - and for the 1928384858558th time, the EU does use it's own funds, it's not their money to do any funding with, you can comprehend can't you and understand that we, are a massive net contributor, so what we pay to them, we do not get back, we get some back so in essence that is OUR money they have been handing back, only they have the gall to inform us what our money should be spent on.
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Old 18-11-2019, 19:31   #182
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Mick can you advise the income/savings thresholds at which you are no longer allowed to care about the poor? Just want to check I'm within the limits.
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Mick can you advise the income/savings thresholds at which you are no longer allowed to care about the poor? Just want to check I'm within the limits.
You are not running for office, for a major party, with policies attacking successful millionaire & billionaire business men, who bring prosperity to this country and more importantly, jobs, so your question is irrelevant.

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On a more different note....

BREAKING: Liberal Democrats and SNP lose their High Court case against ITV. Debate will go ahead tomorrow without them.

That is a real crying shame. NOT.

Good, I dunno who these Illiberal Undemocrats think they are, running to the courts all the time because they don't get their own way.
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You are not running for office, for a major party, with policies attacking successful millionaire & billionaire business men, who bring prosperity to this country and more importantly, jobs, so your question is irrelevant.

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On a more different note....

BREAKING: Liberal Democrats and SNP lose their High Court case against ITV. Debate will go ahead tomorrow without them.

That is a real crying shame. NOT.

Good, I dunno who these Illiberal Undemocrats think they are, running to the courts all the time because they don't get their own way.
Yes I think that's good news too, the more Boris is on national TV, the better
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This Mirror article tends to disagree with you.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...closed-1844712



It is the jobs lost not the mines closed that is the important metric. You may have small mines that employ a small number of mines for example.

If you are claiming facts, it is very useful to cite your sources. I am afraid "Google is my source" is not good enough
Even with a large reduction in miners, they managed to sustain output levels. A move away from coal for energy generation and cheap imports from Russia and Poland did the rest.


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European Union legislators reached agreement in the early hours of Wednesday (19 December) over a proposed reform of electricity market rules that includes a 2025 cut-off date for coal subsidies, and a special clause for Poland.
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Spain’s unprofitable coal mining industry closed down all of its mines on January 1, 2019.

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Yes I think that's good news too, the more Boris is on national TV, the better
He has been all over the news last few weeks - every poll shows a boost. Now you know my stance on polling, it doesn't necessitate an accurate picture but practically every poll has him well ahead of the Marxist and Racist Anti-Semitic party.
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Old 18-11-2019, 19:56   #187
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The undemocrats are going backwards as well which can't be bad.
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He has been all over the news last few weeks - every poll shows a boost. Now you know my stance on polling, it doesn't necessitate an accurate picture but practically every poll has him well ahead of the Marxist and Racist Anti-Semitic party.
Including this one!
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The undemocrats are going backwards as well which can't be bad.
And People's vote is said to be on the verge of collapse. Happy days.
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Not sure how the SNP can claim a right to have a place in these debates, when they are standing in and represent so little of the UK.
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Not sure how the SNP can claim a right to have a place in these debates, when they are standing in and represent so little of the UK.
Attitudes like that will see Scotland leave the UK.
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Attitudes like that will see Scotland leave the UK.
It is a fact that they only represent a small portion of the UK. The issue is about UK national debates, not Scottish local ones.
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Attitudes like that will see Scotland leave the UK.
... and the down side of that is?
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Even with a large reduction in miners, they managed to sustain output levels. A move away from coal for energy generation and cheap imports from Russia and Poland did the rest.


Anyway.

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Not sure why you wasted your effort here. Of course the current strategy is away from fossil fuel energy production.

The reply was specifically addressed at an attempt at misinformation ..
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Not sure why you wasted your effort here. Of course the current strategy is away from fossil fuel energy production.

The reply was specifically addressed at an attempt at misinformation ..
I already addressed your claim of misinformation.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...-mines-2401926

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Between 1963 and 1979, Labour governments closed a total of 303 collieries. Successive Conservative governments shut 162 mines. Even the left-of-centre Energy Minister, Tony Benn, recognised the economic argument and closed more coal mines than Margaret Thatcher and Michael Heseltine put together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_m...United_Kingdom

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Between 1947 and 1994, some 950 mines were closed by UK governments. Clement Attlee’s Labour government closed 101 pits from 1947-‘51, Macmillan (Conservative) closed 246 pits from 1957-‘63, Wilson (Labour) and Heath (Conservative) collectively closed 253 between 1964-’76, Thatcher (Conservative) closed 115 between 1979-'90.
Hardly a great deal in it. The true answer to "Who made more miners redundant Conservative or Labour" is of course Arthur Scargill.
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