Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mythica

You might not have done but others might have done.

Again, why are people so hell bent on there not being another referendum. Whether people like it or not, a massive change happened to the UK after the result. I believe that would warrant another referendum based on that outcome.

I think there's some understandable reluctance on the part of Brexiters to acknowledge that Brexit also increased the chances of the end of the UK. Their solution to cutting the link between the two events is to do all they can to prevent another independence referendum.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think there's some understandable reluctance on the part of Brexiters to acknowledge that Brexit also increased the chances of the end of the UK. Their solution to cutting the link between the two events is to do all they can to prevent another independence referendum.

Wow ... another mind reader

[Sephiroth]

Here are a few curve balls for the topic:

1/
Should we allow the referendum before Charlie Farley becomes King?

2/
Would a referendum in 20 years' time be in King William's reign?

3/
Would an independent Scotland be saddled with its share of the Covid debt?

4/
Would England demand that the Withdrawal Agreement be settled before anything else is negotiated?

5/
Will Scotland in the EU be bound by the current EU-UK trade agreement?

Love it!


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think there's some understandable reluctance on the part of Brexiters to acknowledge that Brexit also increased the chances of the end of the UK. Their solution to cutting the link between the two events is to do all they can to prevent another independence referendum.

I recognise the link. I no longer care and if the Scots vote to leave the UK, sod 'em and welcome to any Scots who want to live south of the border.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Here are a few curve balls for the topic:

1/
Should we allow the referendum before Charlie Farley becomes King?

2/
Would a referendum in 20 years' time be in King William's reign?

3/
Would an independent Scotland be saddled with its share of the Covid debt?

4/
Would England demand that the Withdrawal Agreement be settled before anything else is negotiated?

5/
Will Scotland in the EU be bound by the current EU-UK trade agreement?

Love it!


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I recognise the link. I no longer care and if the Scots vote to leave the UK, sod 'em and welcome to any Scots who want to live south of the border.

I can't even begin to imagine how long the negotiations might last for! By the time they're concluded, DTT may no longer exist and England may have won the Six Nations!

[Carth]

I'm not opposed to Scotland having a referendum, but I am opposed to having to pay for it

If they want it, go ahead, but fund it with Scottish taxes, not English

oh, and those living in England can't vote


*The 2016 referendum cost £130 million, a Scottish one should be much less, easy peasy eh

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm not opposed to Scotland having a referendum, but I am opposed to having to pay for it

If they want it, go ahead, but fund it with Scottish taxes, not English

oh, and those living in England can't vote


*The 2016 referendum cost £130 million, a Scottish one should be much less, easy peasy eh

They/I couldn't last time (unless they were UK Armed Forces registered to vote in Scotland)...

Under the terms of the 2010 Draft Bill, the following people were entitled to vote in the referendum:

British citizens who were resident in Scotland;
Citizens of other Commonwealth countries who were resident in Scotland;
Citizens of other European Union countries who were resident in Scotland;
Members of the House of Lords who were resident in Scotland;
Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the British Armed Forces or with Her Majesty's Government who were registered to vote in Scotland.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think there's some understandable reluctance on the part of Brexiters to acknowledge that Brexit also increased the chances of the end of the UK. Their solution to cutting the link between the two events is to do all they can to prevent another independence referendum.

Absolute bullshit, you’re absolutely pants reading people’s minds!

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute bullshit, you’re absolutely pants reading people’s minds!

oh come now Mick, I'm sure there were a couple of people - maybe even double figures - that thought it would increase the chances of the end of the UK.

If we go down the route of statistics and percentages though it's probably negligible, but enough for Andrew

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh come now Mick, I'm sure there were a couple of people - maybe even double figures - that thought it would increase the chances of the end of the UK.

If we go down the route of statistics and percentages though it's probably negligible, but enough for Andrew

Seph has generously acknowledged it.

But when it comes to Scottish independence, it's a very interesting time to be alive, whatever your views. The emergence of the Alba Party adds an unknown dimension as well so we're in for an interesting Summer. Pull up a seat, grab some popcorn and watch your screens as events unfurl before us.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Didn't they vote to remain in the UK that was part of the EU? Things have changed since that vote, I'm not sure why people are so hell bent on them not having another vote.

Exactly, since when is the will of the people a once in a lifetime thing, keep returning a party with independence as it's key policy then keep expecting to answer the same question and that question should be left for those that live there alone imo

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Exactly, since when is the will of the people a once in a lifetime thing, keep returning a party with independence as it's key policy then keep expecting to answer the same question and that question should be left for those that live there alone imo

Couldn't agree more.

Brexit was a game changer. The same people who were so keen on having that vote, seek to deny others having a 'leave' choice.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Couldn't agree more.

Brexit was a game changer. The same people who were so keen on having that vote, seek to deny others having a 'leave' choice.

as i understand it they will be granted a referendum the next time krankie tells the truth, don't hold your breath.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Couldn't agree more.

Brexit was a game changer. The same people who were so keen on having that vote, seek to deny others having a 'leave' choice.

That's a very distorted, if not disingenuous, assertion.
The people (including the public) keen to hold an EU vote were acting in their belief of what would be best for the UK. The same belief applies to the Scottish referendum.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

keep returning a party with independence as it's key policy then keep expecting to answer the same question

Reluctantly, you have to admit you have a point.

The failure here is really with Labour and Tory to have a plan for Scotland.

That said, Scottish independence is something that affects the U.K. as a whole, not just Scotland and therefore you can’t reasonably expect to put the rest of the U.K. through this every 4-5 years.

[GrimUpNorth]

I'm genuinely confused, I would have thought that some of the people here with their dislike of most things (everything?) EU related would be glad to see the back of a large proportion of the population that was pro the thing that really seems to keep them awake at night yet they seem to be the most strongly apposed