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You may well disagree Max, but then again you always would for anything that did anything other than condemn Sturgeon regardless of evidence.
Such is how polarised Scottish politics is, it's like living in two different realities.
We all know you live in an alternate one. The one where you said Brexit would be stopped and reversed, how totally inaccurate and wrong you were and still are, now on Independence!
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Originally Posted by jfman
In your opinion, Mick. She's like a schoolgirl cheerleader to other observers. Peston slightly better but not by much.
Happy to trot out the latest lines from CCHQ but little credible journalism.
No - not opinion, FACT - she is not up Johnsons backside and never has been, stop peddling this bullshit.
We all know you live in an alternate one. The one where you said Brexit would be stopped and reversed, how totally inaccurate and wrong you were and still are, now on Independence!
Can you debate any topic without pulling it back to the divisive issue of Brexit? I assume not.
I've said before the Establishment would try to stop it, I'm sure everyone who can observe reality would accept that they did.
I'm not sure the difficulty you have with that observation. It's perfectly reasonable fair comment and observably true from both sides of the fence. There's three years worth of posts about it.
I don't see why my views on independence deny me the right to make fair comment observations on how hopeless the opposition parties are. As a rational English person I'm not surprised you oppose Scottish independence really.
Can you debate any topic without pulling it back to the divide issue if Brexit? I assume not.
I've said before the Establishment would try to stop it, I'm sure everyone who can observe reality would accept that they did.
I'm not sure the difficulty you have with that observation. It's perfectly reasonable fair comment and observably true from both sides of the fence. There's three years worth of posts about it.
I don't see why my views on independence deny me the right to make fair comment observations on how hopeless the opposition parties are. As a rational English person I'm not surprised you oppose Scottish independence really.
I oppose it because the Scottish people have ALREADY decided in a once in a lifetime Referendum, i.e Democracy was already decided and a result occurred.
I oppose it because the Scottish people have ALREADY decided in a once in a lifetime Referendum, i.e Democracy was already decided and a result occurred.
Nowhere, anywhere was that said by anyone with the power to bind the Scottish or UK Parliaments. If Scotland votes for a party or parties on that basis it’s extremely likely there will be another referendum which is why the UK Government are currently putting a lot of effort into “selling” the union in Scotland.
Even the unionist parties are campaigning to “stop” indyref2 because they know the position isn’t tenable to say once in a generation/once in a lifetime.
If voters had backed second EU referendum parties they would have got a second vote. As it happens they were resoundingly rejected, but that’s democracy.
She wasn't "cleared" of lying by the "independent" report, just it couldn't be conclusively proved that she deliberately lied.
Then it is often the case that it can't always be conclusively proved that somebody lied. Not sure they get the same benefit of the doubt.
Nowhere, anywhere was that said by anyone with the power to bind the Scottish or UK Parliaments. If Scotland votes for a party or parties on that basis it’s extremely likely there will be another referendum which is why the UK Government are currently putting a lot of effort into “selling” the union in Scotland.
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More bollocks you spout.
Here have a video that totally destroys your ridiculous assertion that it wasn't said when it WAS you liar!
Wouldnt play for me Mick however I sense today hasn't gone how you wanted !
By the time they get round to another vote it will have been around 10 years since the last vote. It could be argued that is a new generation with 10 years worth of new voters.
If the SNP go into the election with a platform of another referendum and the people vote for it, then the mandate is there. They don't need approval from Bozza or anyone in England. If people want to exit they should be allowed, there is a precedent for that in this country...
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Wouldnt play for me Mick however I sense today hasn't gone how you wanted !
By the time they get round to another vote it will have been around 10 years since the last vote. It could be argued that is a new generation with 10 years worth of new voters.
If the SNP go into the election with a platform of another referendum and the people vote for it, then the mandate is there. They don't need approval from Bozza or anyone in England. If people want to exit they should be allowed, there is a precedent for that in this country...
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It played for me but let's look at the first line of what jfman said
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Originally Posted by jfman
Nowhere, anywhere was that said by anyone with the power to bind the Scottish or UK Parliaments.
My take is that polticians and political parties can't bind future Parliaments. So politicians pronouncing "once in a lifetime" or "once in a generation" has no legal standing, it's just spin or an interpretation of how they believe the situation is.
Here have a video that totally destroys your ridiculous assertion that it wasn't said when it WAS you liar!
Has no legal standing, which you absolutely know so I don't know why you persist in contesting it.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
It played for me but let's look at the first line of what jfman said
My take is that polticians and political parties can't bind future Parliaments. So politicians pronouncing "once in a lifetime" or "once in a generation" has no legal standing, it's just spin or an interpretation of how they believe the situation is.
It's easy to get caught up in the rhetoric of being involved in something deemed to be "historic", however it's democratically untenable to bind future generations of voters in such a manner.
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Originally Posted by Mad Max
Mick, it's the best of three, or maybe the best of five, oh wait, we'll just keep going till we get the vote we want.
It'd certainly be helpful if opposition parties told us how they'd deliver a better/more prosperous Scotland within the devolution settlement.
As far as I can tell the opposition are fighting on a platform of "we (Tories) voted against Sturgeon in the vote of no confidence and they didn't (Labour). They're competing for the same 50% of the vote, not the other 50%.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
It played for me but let's look at the first line of what jfman said
My take is that polticians and political parties can't bind future Parliaments. So politicians pronouncing "once in a lifetime" or "once in a generation" has no legal standing, it's just spin or an interpretation of how they believe the situation is.
But equally, Boris is not for turning, whether or not bound in law. This is one u-turn he dare not mak.
Has no legal standing, which you absolutely know so I don't know why you persist in contesting it.
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It's easy to get caught up in the rhetoric of being involved in something deemed to be "historic", however it's democratically untenable to bind future generations of voters in such a manner.
In the way that future UK voters could overturn selected EU directives or Treaties?
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