Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by Chris

The Scottish "government" has been asked why the constant deluge of oil price projections we were treated to prior to the referendum, seems suddenly to have dried up. It has been asked if it wouldn't mind issuing a new projection, allowing for recent changes. It has declined to do so.

Do you have a link for that? (Want to gloat ).

Seriously however this is a perfect time for Westminster to prove what we've being saying for the last year, that Scotland is better in the Union. Osbourne should head up to Aberdeen and announce the tax break that will help save some jobs and reiterate that the treasury will be on hand to help where it can.

Originally Posted by Damien

Do you have a link for that? (Want to gloat ).

Seriously however this is a perfect time for Westminster to prove what we've being saying for the last year, that Scotland is better in the Union. Osbourne should head up to Aberdeen and announce the tax break that will help save some jobs and reiterate that the treasury will be on hand to help where it can.

Gloat away.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...usal-1-3656632

Originally Posted by Osem

Is anyone up there daring to contemplate just what the mood would be like now had Salmond and his crew got their way or is that verboten too?
Must be a whole lot of red faces up there and not due to all that Scotch...

There doesn't appear to be any change. The line is now that the SNP only said oil was a 'bonus' but quite how 15% of your GDP which you're already spending is a bonus is left unanswered. They don't seem to remember how warnings that oil is a risky commodity were dismissed as scaremongering. All that scaremongering didn't quite turn out to be so unfounded.

If there was any sense then the SNP would seen a big drop in the polls as voters realise they almost sold them down a certain creek without a paddle in a ideological drive for Independence whatever the cost and whatever the risk.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Damien

There doesn't appear to be any change. The line is now that the SNP only said oil was a 'bonus' but quite how 15% of your GDP which you're already spending is a bonus is left unanswered. They don't seem to remember how warnings that oil is a risky commodity were dismissed as scaremongering. All that scaremongering didn't quite turn out to be so unfounded.

If there was any sense then the SNP would seen a big drop in the polls as voters realise they almost sold them down a certain creek without a paddle in a ideological drive for Independence whatever the cost and whatever the risk.

Seems it has been a line since back in July 2013.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Seems it has been a line since back in July 2013.

And as I pointed out. It's rubbish. It's economic incompetence of the highest order to assume 15% of your GDP is a bonus, especially when it's already being spent.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Damien

And as I pointed out. It's rubbish. It's economic incompetence of the highest order to assume 15% of your GDP is a bonus, especially when it's already being spent.

Damien, did I say anywhere that it wasn't rubbish?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Seems it has been a line since back in July 2013.

Correct. However that should not detract from the 40-odd years prior to that, during which it was more or less the bedrock of their case.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

Correct. However that should not detract from the 40-odd years prior to that, during which it was more or less the bedrock of their case.

Correct. However that should not detract from the fact that the statement was made in 2013.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Correct. However that should not detract from the fact that the statement was made in 2013.

It doesn't. The fact that the "oil is a bonus" line began to circulate in the summer of 2013 is indeed significant. It shows that, having campaigned for independence for 80 years, the SNP made no serious effort to look at the economics of it until after the referendum campaign had begun. The ineptitude is staggering. It is no wonder that they almost wore out the word "scaremongering" by endless repetition. They had no case. They knew they had no case. The arch-gambler, Salmond, had a worthless hand but thought he could bluff his way through it. In the end, the electorate saw through it and he was comfortably beaten.

[Osem]

Well I hope that if our Scots gambler takes a seat in Westminster he's reminded frequently of the pup he tried to sell.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

It doesn't. The fact that the "oil is a bonus" line began to circulate in the summer of 2013 is indeed significant. It shows that, having campaigned for independence for 80 years, the SNP made no serious effort to look at the economics of it until after the referendum campaign had begun. The ineptitude is staggering. It is no wonder that they almost wore out the word "scaremongering" by endless repetition. They had no case. They knew they had no case. The arch-gambler, Salmond, had a worthless hand but thought he could bluff his way through it. In the end, the electorate saw through it and he was comfortably beaten.

No need to repeat yourself, Chris. As you say it was made in 2013 and is not a case of just "now" being the line adopted.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

No need to repeat yourself, Chris. As you say it was made in 2013 and is not a case of just "now" being the line adopted.

That's your (very narrow) point and you're sticking to it. . Fair dos. It does, however, miss the broader, more important point. The SNPs case was based on oil right up to the point where they actually did some sums, at which point we were treated to two years of obfuscation, bluster and sleight of hand. Some were taken in by it. Most weren't. Now, world events have shone a spotlight on the issue.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's your (very narrow) point and you're sticking to it. . Fair dos. It does, however, miss the broader, more important point. The SNPs case was based on oil right up to the point where they actually did some sums, at which point we were treated to two years of obfuscation, bluster and sleight of hand. Some were taken in by it. Most weren't. Now, world events have shone a spotlight on the issue.

Quite, Chris. Again, no need to repeat yourself, I don't dispute your version of events. I felt it was important to establish the facts as to when the comment was apparently first reported.

In saying that I've no wish to get in the way of or impede grown adults wanting to "gloat" over or take particular delight from a fallible human being, or group thereof, failing to accurately predict world events.

Carry on.

[Derek]

The SNP don't provide you with enough financial nonsense and anti-English veiled racism for you?

Well you're in luck as a new pro-independence party is being set up to capitalse on the ongoing mass hysteria up here.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/de...np#.cmRkznQY20

The Scottish Independence party, known as SIP, was created last week after it was revealed that the SNP has no current plans to discuss independence or a second referendum at its conference in October.

Splitters!