Will Scotland Leave the UK?
16-08-2014, 12:57
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Salmond likes to portray all this as a friendly break-up and has described an independent Scotland as changing from a 'surly lodger to a good neighbour'. Underneath at that PR nonsense there is a general sneering nastiness which underlies the SNP's attitudes to the English in particular and their opponents in general. They try to dress it up in positives but they can't hide the fact that their campaign relies heavily on stoking up anti-English sentiment at every opportunity. Press them on the facts and it doesn't take long before things get personal and ugly which betrays, to my mind anyway, the reality of what they're trying to do.
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16-08-2014, 15:11
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Nice to see Wee Eck has a firm grasp on reality, and can compare like with like... BBC
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Mr Salmond told BBC Scotland: "Mr Abbott's comments are hypocritical because independence does not seem to have done Australia any harm.
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I may have missed the part in my History and Geography at school where Oz was a part of the UK with a common border....
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16-08-2014, 15:39
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Par for the course. Salmond and reality have only the most fleeting acquaintance.
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16-08-2014, 19:34
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
What I'm trying to work out is how Abbott's comments were offensive..Salmond's ideas on what offensive means don't meet up with mine. 
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16-08-2014, 19:35
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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What I'm trying to work out is how Abbott's comments were offensive..Salmond's ideas on what offensive means don't meet up with mine. |
They weren't totally supporting Independence, ergo, offensive.... 
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16-08-2014, 19:39
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Was Salmond bullied at school do you think?...
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16-08-2014, 22:27
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Looks like ICM will show the Yes vote increasing. Ugh. We do not want them picking up momentum coming into the last month...
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16-08-2014, 23:56
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Looks like ICM will show the Yes vote increasing. Ugh. We do not want them picking up momentum coming into the last month...
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17-08-2014, 08:30
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Looks like ICM will show the Yes vote increasing. Ugh. We do not want them picking up momentum coming into the last month...
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No need to worry just yet.
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@TSEofPB: New ICM #Indyref poll
Yes 38 (+4) No 47 (+2) DK 14 (-7)
Excluding DK's
Yes 45 (+2) No 55 (-2)
@TSEofPB: ICM #indyref poll finds
14% who were still undecided, the pollsters found these don’t knows were more likely to vote No by a ratio of 2:1.
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---------- Post added at 08:30 ---------- Previous post was at 08:28 ----------
There is another poll out this morning commisioned by Yes and run by Panelbase, already that puts it on shaky ground.
It shows an almost 50/50 split until you read the methodology and find it was 1000 adults surveyed over 2 months ago. 
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17-08-2014, 08:59
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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What I'm trying to work out is how Abbott's comments were offensive..Salmond's ideas on what offensive means don't meet up with mine. |
I'm not sticking up for Salmond here but I think he was referring to the comment about them not being "friends of justice".
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17-08-2014, 09:13
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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It shows an almost 50/50 split until you read the methodology and find it was 1000 adults surveyed over 2 months ago. |
Almost as if they were holding on to it until they needed something to create the impression of momentum. But they wouldn't do that, would they?
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Looks like ICM will show the Yes vote increasing. Ugh. We do not want them picking up momentum coming into the last month...
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The Undecideds are starting to decide and the polls, which have always had trouble working out how to weight for these, are all over the place.
As Derek pointed out, of the remaining undecideds, they are 2:1 in favour of No, which is what you would expect, No being Status Quo, which typically picks up in the last days of a constitutional campaign. The "excluding don't knows" headline figure effectively attributes the undecided votes 50:50 to each side, so in this case that 55:45 result is very flattering to Yes.
I still think we are heading for a No victory by 60:40 or better.
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17-08-2014, 10:46
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Once again, I will refer my honourable friends to those independent arbiters of likelihood, the bookies.
Latest odds on 'No" - between 1/6 and 1/10
Latest odds on "Yes" - all around 5/1
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...rendum-outcome
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17-08-2014, 11:43
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Unless I've missed a dramatic change, I'd hope the Yes and No odds are the wrong way round there Hugh?
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17-08-2014, 12:09
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Ooops!
fixed now - thanks.
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17-08-2014, 12:14
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Ooops!
fixed now - thanks.
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Freudian slip I reckon... 
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