Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As we've seen at Dover, British business is being taken out of gear with increased delays and red tape. The UK's problem of productivity is being worsened not improved.

At the same time, whilst Britain fights over who will lead the country, the EU is moving ahead to make its financial services sector more competitive by nicking our ideas.

All of the UK's current woes are down to very poor government. Whether or not the next PM can turn this round remains to be seen. It won't take much: just a decision to improve conditions for business growth.

Almost against my better judgement, I'm considering giving Truss he benefit of the doubt when I cast my ballot. It seems to me to be a sound plan to stretch the Covid debt repayment period and use the cash flow released for sound purposes. For sound purposes!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I see no blame toward thr French. Shit happens.

Less than half the French workforce turned up to man the desks. Hence the delays yesterday.

So, yes, the French were responsible for the disruption, although the people on here who try to blame our government and Brexit for everything will try to twist the facts to suit themselves.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Less than half the French workforce turned up to man the desks. Hence the delays yesterday.

So, yes, the French were responsible for the disruption, although the people on here who try to blame our government and Brexit for everything will try to twist the facts to suit themselves.

Earlier this week Dover were already having to install more booths because they didn't have enough

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/20...-reduce-delays

The Port of Dover is expanding border capacity to avoid queues, as traveller numbers rise to pre-pandemic levels.

A deal has been struck with the French border force to man 50% extra passport booths, which are being installed before the summer getaway weekend of 22-24 July.

So it can both be true that the post Brexit border checks are currently causing a general increase in the time taken, and specific issues can be down to staffing levels.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Less than half the French workforce turned up to man the desks. Hence the delays yesterday.

So, yes, the French were responsible for the disruption, although the people on here who try to blame our government and Brexit for everything will try to twist the facts to suit themselves.

I wonder how bad the delays would have been with less than half the French workforce in the days prior to leaving the EU? Are you trying to say it's purely down to the French workers being absent?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Less than half the French workforce turned up to man the desks. Hence the delays yesterday.

So, yes, the French were responsible for the disruption, although the people on here who try to blame our government and Brexit for everything will try to twist the facts to suit themselves.

Total fantasy. The French were manning the agreed number of booths at 09:45.

The logic is really simple, even you can understand this: if you have to check each & every passport for 90 day entry compliance and then add a passport stamp, the process will take much longer that waving through the car as was the case in the past.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So, yes, the French were responsible for the disruption, although the people on here who try to blame our government and Brexit for everything will try to twist the facts to suit themselves.

Likewise we have the mugs on here who absolve the Government of blame as we bounce from one chaotic situation to the next as if they’re a completely hapless actor in every crisis they have contributed towards.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by jfman

Likewise we have the mugs on here who absolve the Government of blame as we bounce from one chaotic situation to the next as if they’re a completely hapless actor in every crisis they have contributed towards.

Indeed. In 2020 this was reported

https://archive.ph/2020.12.16-135817...b-e241256db4df

The UK cabinet office has rejected a £33m proposal to double the capacity for French government passport checks at the port of Dover, raising the prospect of long delays for passengers after the end of the Brexit transition period.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Indeed. In 2020 this was reported

https://archive.ph/2020.12.16-135817...b-e241256db4df

Can find £120m to send nobody to Rwanda though.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Earlier this week Dover were already having to install more booths because they didn't have enough

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/20...-reduce-delays



So it can both be true that the post Brexit border checks are currently causing a general increase in the time taken, and specific issues can be down to staffing levels.

Surely, the extra booths were put in place to avoid just that.

Of course, they do need to be manned to be effective. That deficiency was solely down to the French. Dragging their heels and putting problems in the way, as usual.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I wonder how bad the delays would have been with less than half the French workforce in the days prior to leaving the EU? Are you trying to say it's purely down to the French workers being absent?

That’s completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that we had an agreement with the French to man the extra booths from 6am. They didn’t honour the agreement.

But then, it’s OK by you when the EU fails to honour an agreement…

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Total fantasy. The French were manning the agreed number of booths at 09:45.

The logic is really simple, even you can understand this: if you have to check each & every passport for 90 day entry compliance and then add a passport stamp, the process will take much longer that waving through the car as was the case in the past.

9.45 was far too late. They should have been there hours earlier, as we agreed with them, and because they weren’t, the queues built up exponentially.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Indeed. In 2020 this was reported

https://archive.ph/2020.12.16-135817...b-e241256db4df

Of what relevance is this to yesterday’s delays, which were … probably … deliberately caused by the French?

[jfman]

Why would the French, as rational capitalists, go out their way to harm tourism?

The EU bogeyman argument doesn’t wash, OB. Britain has engaged in an act of self-harm and paying the price. One of these days England has to accept the problems of it’s own making rather than blaming someone else.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why would the French, as rational capitalists, go out their way to harm tourism?

The EU bogeyman argument doesn’t wash, OB. Britain has engaged in an act of self-harm and paying the price. One of these days England has to accept the problems of it’s own making rather than blaming someone else.

Because they can, and if it damages the cause of Brexit still further, then it’s fair play to them. Why change the habits of what seems to be a lifetime?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because they can, and if it damages the cause of Brexit still further, then it’s fair play to them. Why change the habits of what seems to be a lifetime?

Remove the tin foil hat and the blinkers, OB.

Decades of Conservative ideology have bankrupted this country. Lemmings have consistently voted to make themselves poorer, to make Britain less competitive, to sell off it’s assets.

The bogeyman is on this side of the Channel. Not that one.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because they can, and if it damages the cause of Brexit still further, then it’s fair play to them. Why change the habits of what seems to be a lifetime?

How odd, it’s almost as if taking back control doesn’t just explicitly apply to the U.K. other nations can do as they see fit…

Suck it up, buttercup

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

Remove the tin foil hat and the blinkers, OB.

Decades of Conservative ideology have bankrupted this country. Lemmings have consistently voted to make themselves poorer, to make Britain less competitive, to sell off it’s assets.

The bogeyman is on this side of the Channel. Not that one.

completely agree

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How odd, it’s almost as if taking back control doesn’t just explicitly apply to the U.K. other nations can do as they see fit…

Suck it up, buttercup

In the same way as we don't export immigrants to other countries, we give them ex pats...

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because they can, and if it damages the cause of Brexit still further, then it’s fair play to them. Why change the habits of what seems to be a lifetime?

em it was the UK that wanted to be a third country and all the extra bureaucracy and border checks OB

being a third country is exactly what we got cant blame France for that one was the UK's choice

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1550878727038533633

watch video on link OB