17-06-2008, 16:51
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#9181
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 231
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
just informed more people of whats going on, on different forums none IT related places of the e-petition and they started to sign it also links to all the info they need to make a informed choice.
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17-06-2008, 17:07
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#9182
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kent
Services: No DPI Kit snooping on USERS
Posts: 447
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by NTLVictim
" . Web wise?
.. Web lies
... Web spies"
Cough.
But they do get buried quick on here, don't they?
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should that not be
. Web Wise?
.. Web Spies
... BT Lies
Peter
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17-06-2008, 17:57
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#9183
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Inactive
Join Date: Feb 2004
Services: Finding people (retired)
Posts: 1,065
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
found it, back on page 489..theres more somewhere.
Webspies
..just click if you're thick.
---------- Post added at 17:57 ---------- Previous post was at 17:32 ----------
should fit on a4....
BT..rayal
BT sold your privacy last summer.
What are you going to do about it?
nodpi.org
badphorm.co.uk
dephormation.org.uk
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17-06-2008, 18:59
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#9184
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 133
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Just looking at site stats for http://www.DoNotTrustWebwise.org.
Browser Summary section...
1. Firefox, 2. IE... down in 15th place "Kent Ertugrul is a C*nt".
LMAO
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17-06-2008, 19:18
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#9185
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 254
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by serial
Just looking at site stats for http://www.DoNotTrustWebwise.org.
Browser Summary section...
1. Firefox, 2. IE... down in 15th place "Kent Ertugrul is a C*nt".
LMAO
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Hey! What a good idea: Added 'Stop Phorm/Webwise Spyware' to my user agent string.
Firefox users, do type: about :config in the address bar and search for 'agent'.
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17-06-2008, 19:29
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#9186
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Inactive
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 75
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by phormwatch
Firefox users, do type: about:config in the address bar and search for 'agent'.
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Or, for Firefox users, install the User Agent Switcher add-on
http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/
and you can have multiple UA strings to choose from...
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17-06-2008, 19:49
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#9187
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Permanently Banned
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,028
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
https://nodpi.org/events/
Can people let me know if they think I need to add more or come up with any suggestions for changes please.
Alexander Hanff
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17-06-2008, 19:50
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#9188
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 86
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
More rumour, this received from a trusted friend...
"BT recently asked all their staff from across the whole group (not just BT retail) what they thought of Phorm/Webwise. Not a single person from within BT responded with a positive comment."
Anyone with friends in BT able to confirm?
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The BT guy I'm working with hasn't got it, but that's not to say such a survey didn't got out. He says many people feel strongly internally about Phorm so I'm guessing if such an email exists then someone would leak it at some point.
Anyone offering?!
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17-06-2008, 19:53
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#9189
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Services: Virgin - BB,TV,Phone
Sky box - with no sub
Freeview - idtv
Posts: 270
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by NTLVictim
Hee, hee....sorry, still laughing..just got this;
"Hello there,
We’re really proud of our broadband service. And because we want it stay ahead of the competition, we're always looking for ways to make things better. So we'd like to hear your opinions on our latest ideas.
We’ve put together this short survey about a new 'online storage' service we've been considering. We'd appreciate it if you could spend five to ten minutes filling it out to help us find out what you think. We promise to use your answers to help us make it the best it can be.
If you’d like to take part, you’ve got until the 27th of June to fill it out.
To get started, just click below. Thanks for your help!"
ooh..proud of our broadband service.....ha...hah, ooh me ribs...
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Presumably this is from VM? via email?
Is it for selected customers as I haven't received anything.
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Originally Posted by popper
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What is with this government? Are they never satisfied?
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17-06-2008, 19:59
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#9190
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kent
Services: No DPI Kit snooping on USERS
Posts: 447
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by oblonsky
The BT guy I'm working with hasn't got it, but that's not to say such a survey didn't got out. He says many people feel strongly internally about Phorm so I'm guessing if such an email exists then someone would leak it at some point.
Anyone offering?!
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intersting comment, i assume the strong feelings are agianst, but for what reason,
1:-see bits of the network being outsource to trusted partners?
2:-put under pressure to provide systems internally that provide income like phorm
3:- being told by trusted partners how to configure the network for them and lower security
peter
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17-06-2008, 20:08
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#9191
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by icsys
Presumably this is from VM? via email?
Is it for selected customers as I haven't received anything.
What is with this government? Are they never satisfied?
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Brown is paranoid
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17-06-2008, 20:15
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#9192
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 86
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by bluecar1
intersting comment, i assume the strong feelings are agianst, but for what reason,
1:-see bits of the network being outsource to trusted partners?
2:-put under pressure to provide systems internally that provide income like phorm
3:- being told by trusted partners how to configure the network for them and lower security
peter
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I'll ask but I'm almost sure it's an idealistic view as a networks expert like myself that this is such a cludge, at the edge of what the protocols allow (HTTP, cookies), filthy implementation (redirects), additional bottlenecks and points of failure to the network.
It would be interested to know how less technical people in BT feel about it!
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17-06-2008, 20:25
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#9193
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Inactive
Join Date: Mar 2008
Services: Still to decide on Aquiss or Be
Posts: 62
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by oblonsky
I have it on very good authority that on the absense of any cookies on your machine, and the absense of an account-level opt-out, users will ALWAYS be presented with Phorm's interstitial request for consent. That is, the default user state will be C.).
This could seriously break a whole range of application which use HTTP to do something other than browsing, yet use IE as a browser identifier
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The page will also end up in lots of strange places. Many Windows applications that embed Internet Explorer to fetch and render HTML content will end up showing the interstitial page. This will happen with Windows Media Player. It could even happen during an attempt to acquire DRM rights. The following are the relevant headers from a sequence of such HTTP requests. Long argument lists have been replaced with an asterisk.
GET /15478/live/reflector:48642.asx?bkup=48685 HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Windows-Media-Player/11.0.5721.5145
Host: mfile.akamai.com This is ok. It's a different user agent.
POST /services/WMLicense?* HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Windows-Media-DRM/11.0.5721.5145
Host: man.channel4.com This is ok. It's both a different user agent and a POST.
POST /services/WMLicense?* HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Host: man.channel4.com This is ok. It's a POST.
GET /player/console/drmConsole.html?* HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Host: geo.channel4.com This request might be replaced by the interstitial notice page. While Phorm could code their layer-seven switches to avoid certain instances of this and the sort of problem suggested by oblonsky, there is no general solution. It’s as intractable as avoiding all web-based email.
As well as the interstitial page having the potential to cause problems, the redirection process needed to copy a Webwise UID cookie into other websites’ domains causes a fundamental change in the nature of web browsing. The website that a person is actively trying to reach should be a first-party website, with first-party cookies. After the redirections, it becomes a third-party website, with third-party cookies that may get blocked.
I won’t argue that, on many occasions, Webwise’s trickery will pass off without hitch. However, even with a 99.9% success rate, every one million page redirections would equal one thousand problems.
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17-06-2008, 20:26
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#9194
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Inactive
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 84
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Hi All, I received the e-mail from Virgin Media (below) a couple of days ago ref. a query about my bill, unfortunately my query was not about my bill, it was about a TV "Smart Card"! However I did take part in the survey and took the opportunity to make them aware of my feelings towards Phorm!
Dave.
Hi, xxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks for getting in touch with our team recently about the query you had with your Virgin Media bill. We hope that things are now sorted out for you.
In fact, that's what we're writing about. At Virgin Media, we want to make sure we give you the best customer service out there. So we'd really like to find out how things went for you when we dealt with your bill query.
We've put together a few quick questions about how things went, and we'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to let us know your thoughts. It shouldn't take longer than around one minute to complete.
By finding out exactly how things went for you, we'll be able to understand the things we're getting right, and if there's anything you'd like us to do better. And we promise to use your feedback to make improvements where we can.
If you'd like to take part in our survey, just click the web address below. Or you can simply cut and paste the entire web address into the web address box of your internet browser.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks very much in advance for your help.
Yours sincerely,
The whole team at Virgin Media
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17-06-2008, 20:35
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#9195
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Services: Virgin - BB,TV,Phone
Sky box - with no sub
Freeview - idtv
Posts: 270
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by davethejag
If you'd like to take part in our survey, just click the web address below. Or you can simply cut and paste the entire web address into the web address box of your internet browser.
Yours sincerely,
The whole team at Virgin Media
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And the web address is?
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