Brexit (Old)

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The principle of panic buying applies if people believe they have limited time or opportunity to buy the same items in the near future.

Which IMO is why it's being banded about so freely in the media, certain 'groups' want people panicking in order for everything to fit in with the latest doomsday scenario

Seen it all before in various guises

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

Which IMO is why it's being banded about so freely in the media, certain 'groups' want people panicking in order for everything to fit in with the latest doomsday scenario

Seen it all before in various guises

The problem for Leave though is their lack of a consistent view has allowed opponents of Brexit to enter the gap. Nobody has, or perhaps even can, explained the strategy for March 30th.

Is the optimal position to continue with existing suppliers on new tariffs? Move to other suppliers (non-EU, or where the EU doesn’t have an FTA) on revised tariff such. Are we unilaterally not going to impose tariffs? That’s not a sustainable position. You’d be forgiven for thinking someone influencing it has a political or financial interests for as much chaos as possible to happen in the interim.

Nobody has made any attempt to quantify the supply side problems. They either don’t exist (which isn’t credible) or it’ll be the end of the world as we know it (slightly more credible, attracts more readers/viewers).

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I thought you voted to Remain, therefore you're a Remainer. There's been no subsequent vote so surely everyone's vote still stands?

Um, Have you been drinking?

I voted to leave. So no idea what you're on about.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What is she talking about then? Trading on WTO terms is the default baseline, is she proposing that we will have less than that? If so she’s no specialist.

This debate really brings out the thickos.

We can't all be as smart as you, who clearly had the foresight to go to Switzerland and see their border with the EU for yourself, how long the lorries queue to service that tiny country with it's tiny population or speak to a Romanian about what it was like before they joined, the shortages etc

Originally Posted by denphone

So someone loses their job and such is the demonization of people on the dole in this country that some have to resort to bigoted prejudiced name calling.

Wouldn't that make them a job seeker rather than dole **** who treat benefits as a lifestyle choice much the same as they do crime and anti social behaviour, not really sure why you rushed to demonize that post, it's meaning seemed clear to me as did it's lack of generalisation 're the unemployed

Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn’t miss anything, I just didn’t read any of the article and i’m Not going to.

So then we the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world will be cut adrift unable to trade with anyone.................

Yeah alright.......

Total bull bollocks, anyone that falls for this crap is sub-normal.

Do you want to know what will happen March 29th? Nothing.

I will wake up March 30th and go to work, i may pop in the shop and buy some food - there will be plenty. People will fly to the continent, people will fly from the continent to here.

Ships will arrive and depart as will ferries and trains, carrying lorries.

The internet and global communications will continue to work. Banks ands businesses will continue to communicate and do business.

No everyone just pee off and stop all the crap

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No we’re not, we’re part of the “world” trade organisation because we’re part of the “world”

We’re a sovereign nation, we ceded our seat on the WTO when the EU became a political entity. When we leave the EU we will regain our seat.

Ffs, sick of the ignorant BS on here.

I've been saying that for months, that for the vast, vast majority of us nothing will change, I'm bored of the whole thing tbh

[jfman]

Switzerland is in Schengen, largely accepts freedom of movement and has had trading agreements with the European project in one form or other since the 70s.

Romania was surrounded by non-EU states until 2004, joining the EU itself in 2007. It’s trading arrangements aren’t really comparable with ours I’d suspect.

Labour have said they will back the Cooper-Boles amendment which 'instructs' the PM to delay Article 50 is a deal is not agreed.

The Government meanwhile is trying to get Brexiters onboard with the Brady amendment which I think is just May's deal without the backstop on the understanding we'll pass it and tell the EU no backstop.

There is now a rival plan, the Malthouse amendement, but I've lost the will to read any further.

The fun begins if Bercow decides not to choose one of these....

[denphone]

British retirees in EU will lose free healthcare under no-deal Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

British nationals who have retired to EU countries including Spain and France will no longer have their healthcare covered by the NHS in the event of no deal, the government has said.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

British retirees in EU will lose free healthcare under no-deal Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

We’re not a world health service.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

We’re not a world health service.

l never said we was..

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by jfman

We’re not a world health service.

However (from the Guardian article):

A senior civil servant in the Department of Health told a select committee in 2017 that “one of the advantages of the current arrangements was that it was cheaper for the government to reimburse Spain for treatment of pensioners there than have them return to the NHS for care”.

Spain charges an average of €3,500 per pensioner signed up to the S1, Ireland charges an average of €7,500 and the UK charges about €5,000, he said.

In total, the government paid out around £500m – or £2,300 per pensioner – which he pointed out “was significantly lower than the cost of treating pensioners in the UK”.

[mrmistoffelees]

So let me get this right, we're going to have people coming over to this country who haven't paid tax/ni for anywhere from a short-long period of time and then using the NHS for free treatment.

What does this to a degree remind me of....

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So let me get this right, we're going to have people coming over to this country who haven't paid tax/ni for anywhere from a short-long period of time and then using the NHS for free treatment.

What does this to a degree remind me of....

Those UK Citizens who currently get free healthcare in EU would qualify for it here too if they returned.

They should join the respective schemes of their countries they're in anyway really.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

We’re not a world health service.

Yet earlier in the thread you implied that my post about this was disingenuous (with regards to British pensioners who had retired to Spain). It really does appear to be the case that you enjoy arguing an opposing view just for the sake of it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

However (from the Guardian article):

NHS guidance.

If you are moving abroad on a permanent basis, you will no longer be entitled to medical treatment in the UK under normal NHS rules. This is because the NHS is a residence-based healthcare system.