14-02-2019, 21:05
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Originally Posted by Taf
The BBC is reporting that the girls "fled to Syria". Why "fled"? Were they under investigation for pro-ISIS acts?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47237051
This says "ran away".
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A British woman who ran away to Syria as a schoolgirl to join the Islamic State group has been told she could face prosecution if she returns home.
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Sorry, further down it says
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She said she had heard that Amira Abase, one of the two girls she fled to Syria with, might still be alive.
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That’s complete bolleaux, as she wasn’t ‘fleeing’ from anything - ‘fleeing’ is running from danger; she ran to it...
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15-02-2019, 10:31
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
Most people i've spoken to seem to think that she should not be allowed back into the UK (and I completely understand why), but perhaps she should be allowed back for interview/interrogation by the security services as this may prove useful to us??
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15-02-2019, 10:41
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Most people i've spoken to seem to think that she should not be allowed back into the UK (and I completely understand why), but perhaps she should be allowed back for interview/interrogation by the security services as this may prove useful to us??
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But then what?
The core problems are that that are like-minded people who didn't leave but are still here, and that there is no shortage of others who are just waiting to become like-minded and that includes young kids or those not yet born. It's never going to end.
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15-02-2019, 11:01
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
Had she shown one iota of remorse i could perhaps look past the rhetoric she was fed at fifteen and led her to the decision that she made.
She hasn't, so it's a no from me. She's wanting to come back because she lost two children already and is currently in a refugee camp expecting a third.
She made her bed, with her current attitude she can sleep in it. Or not, as the case may be.
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15-02-2019, 11:19
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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But then what?
The core problems are that that are like-minded people who didn't leave but are still here, and that there is no shortage of others who are just waiting to become like-minded and that includes young kids or those not yet born. It's never going to end.
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My line of thinking is that she may have information about ISIS that could prove useful to us; perhaps she should be interviewed by the armed forces instead of a law enforcement agency?
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15-02-2019, 11:21
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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My line of thinking is that she may have information about ISIS that could prove useful to us; perhaps she should be interviewed by the armed forces instead of a law enforcement agency?
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Having that info and handing it over are 2 very different things. Still the issue of what happens afterwards.
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15-02-2019, 11:26
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Having that info and handing it over are 2 very different things. Still the issue of what happens afterwards.
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True, but the armed forces probably have techniques that they use to garner information from POW; perhaps Hugh would know?
Afterwards, we could either let her stay or deport her (but, because the British usually like to be fair, the second option may cause an outcry).
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15-02-2019, 11:29
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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True, but the armed forces probably have techniques that they use to garner information from POW; perhaps Hugh would know?
Afterwards, we could either let her stay or deport her (but, because the British usually like to be fair, the second option may cause an outcry).
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That's making the huge assumption that she knows anything of value.
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15-02-2019, 11:33
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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That's making the huge assumption that she knows anything of value.
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I'd imagine anything she did know would be very minor, and probably quite irrelevant by now
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15-02-2019, 11:45
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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That's making the huge assumption that she knows anything of value.
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I'd imagine anything she did know would be very minor, and probably quite irrelevant by now
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Maybe, but we won't know either way if those that are professionaly trained to get information out of reluctant people aren't given access to her.
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15-02-2019, 12:08
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Maybe, but we won't know either way if those that are professionaly trained to get information out of reluctant people aren't given access to her.
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She was 'apparently' the wife of a soldier, therefore I'm sure she knows where the nukes are hidden, has all the code words to unlock ISIS command communications, has detailed maps and timings of all future attacks throughout the area (or the world), can point out the locations of all the latrines used, and possibly even knows the names of at least a dozen pack donkeys
Richard, the only thing she knows is that she's screwed and wants to come back to a cushy care free life
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15-02-2019, 12:20
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
Is there not a school of thought that says she is a victim as well?
If she had been groomed into a sex ring, would we wash our hands? - girls in sex rings can be equally accepting of their situations, seeing it as 'normal' - isn't that part of the process of being groomed, an indoctrination to make you believe that something that is wrong, is actually a normal way of life?
Do we not see hostages falling in love with their kidnappers?
I'm not saying we need to give her the key to the city, but perhaps we need to view her in a slightly different light before we decide what should be done with her.
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15-02-2019, 12:22
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
She's in the best place ie not here.
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15-02-2019, 12:23
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Is there not a school of thought that says she is a victim as well?
If she had been groomed into a sex ring, would we wash our hands? - girls in sex rings can be equally accepting of their situations, seeing it as 'normal' - isn't that part of the process of being groomed, an indoctrination to make you believe that something that is wrong, is actually a normal way of life?
Do we not see hostages falling in love with their kidnappers?
I'm not saying we need to give her the key to the city, but perhaps we need to view her in a slightly different light before we decide what should be done with her.
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Is there not a school of thought that she just wants to use this country?
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Shamima Begum, now 19 and pregnant, told the Times she had no regrets but wanted to have her baby in the UK.
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15-02-2019, 12:25
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Is there not a school of thought that she just wants to use this country?
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Possibly.
But as I say, indoctrination/brainwashing/grooming gives you a distorted view of the world
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