UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, it's such a bummer that you can't be openly hostile to those who are different to you - bring back the good old days when women, minorities, and gays knew their place, and didn't dare speak up for fear of a good thrashing...

Fortunately for us, your definition of "democracy" does not match that of our current Parliamentary Democracy.

Democracy means the UK decides things, NOT the EU(ie Germany and France).

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Originally Posted by jfman

Tainted or not it'd be a result.

A tainted vote is by definition, not a valid one.

[jfman]

That's not the definition of tainted.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Tainted or not it'd be a result.

I'll remember that when you next loudly proclaim about the lies told in the referendum run up

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

I'll remember that when you next loudly proclaim about the lies told in the referendum run up

It's hardly a result... Years later we are barely further forward. Remain delivers a decisive result because it's not possible to drown the legislative timetable in the same manner to stop the status quo.

[Carth]

Correct, it wasn't a result.

Wasn't acknowledged by Parliament or the media afterwards, and certainly wasn't mentioned at all by any politicians in the 2017 GE

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

Correct, it wasn't a result.

Wasn't acknowledged by Parliament or the media afterwards, and certainly wasn't mentioned at all by any politicians in the 2017 GE

It’s not yet an outcome, is my point. Yes, I know that’s Parliament’s fault.

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Ah here’s comes the flexible extension. Long enough for MPs to have another stab at the WA with no sense of urgency, for it to fail, but not long enough for the subsequent General Election that is really required.

I bet we are still in on my birthday, which is after 31st January.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Democracy means the UK decides things, NOT the EU(ie Germany and France).

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A tainted vote is by definition, not a valid one.

Pretty sure the U.K. Parliament and Supreme Court have been making the recent decisions...

[Gavin78]

That's why we need a GE to weed out those loose cannons. It would be a very interesting GE that's for sure.

[jfman]

Anyone remember the good old days of the Brexit countdown. I miss those simple, straightforward, days.

Originally Posted by jfman

Anyone remember the good old days of the Brexit countdown. I miss those simple, straightforward, days.

Which one?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Which one?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

People ask "why don't you trust Boris Johnson?"

Here's why - things he said yesterday in Parliament that weren't true.

The whole argument about “workers rights” etc, is a political red herring.

Firstly, the whole point of Brexit was to be self governing. so if we are not going to pass a Brexit deal because certain things aren’t pinned to EU rules, is a mockery of the referendum.

Secondly, when we are self governing, if a Tory Government did produce legislation that did reduce workers rights, then a future opposition could reverse that legislation and improve workers rights, that’s the whole point of being self governing. Do Labour want the EU to do their bidding for Them?

Once we’re outside the EU, British politicians will be responsible to the British people and not be able to hide behind the EU, and that can only be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I've always said Brexit will have to win a mandate at a GE or a another referendum. Let's get on with it.

You and I are in complete agreement at this singular moment, except for the referendum bit.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty sure the U.K. Parliament and Supreme Court have been making the recent decisions...

I nearly fell off my chair...

They haven’t been making any decisions, that’s why we’re still here. They have deferred and deferred and deferred.

The only body making decisions has been the EU deciding how many extensions to give us and for how long.

Oh, the votes they had didn’t count, then?

If BJ and colleagues had voted for May’s deal, Brexit would have happened by now...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Oh, the votes they had didn’t count, then?

If BJ and colleagues had voted for May’s deal, Brexit would have happened by now...

What has Parliament done, what decisions has it made, to progress Brexit?

Apart from yesterday when they agreed to a 2nd reading, but then immediately voted against the timetable,

Parliament has made no decisions, Parliament has obfuscated, delayed, denied, stalled ( get a thesaurus and pick any word you want). They have done nothing in two in a half years to get to a position where we might actually leave and still don’t look like they’re anywhere near.

So no, Parliament have not been making any decisions.

[jfman]

They voted on the Withdrawal Act...