P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
24-03-2022, 12:52
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Cue, 800 cases of unfair dismissal. Could be expensive.
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Considering they paid out a 270 million dividend in 2020 whilst claiming 10 million furlough, I'd happily see them go to the wall. They'll leave a gap in the Ferry market that will be filled by others.
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24-03-2022, 13:42
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Cue, 800 cases of unfair dismissal. Could be expensive.
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Considering they paid out a 270 million dividend in 2020 whilst claiming 10 million furlough, I'd happily see them go to the wall. They'll leave a gap in the Ferry market that will be filled by others.
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Isn't that the parent company, DP World, paying dividends on its global profits? And isn't it a business principle that loss-making subsidiaries have to be turned round or closed?
It's typical of the rag press to come up with meaningless comparisons like that.
The real point is that the Guvmin should not allow P&O ferries to dock if their staff and paid at least the UK minimum wage. That will necessarily shake things up, fares will no doubt rise - and then we'll start whinging again about those fares!
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24-03-2022, 15:52
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
Lets see how the smug gits feels when he's inside for breaking employment law
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24-03-2022, 19:43
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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They did it deliberately as well ....
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He said there was "absolutely no doubt" that under UK employment law the firm was required to consult unions before making the mass cuts.
However, he said no union would have accepted the plan and it was easier to compensate workers "in full" instead.
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24-03-2022, 20:48
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Lets see how the smug gits feels when he's inside for breaking employment law
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I don’t know the ins and outs of the law, but it would certainly send a message to other CEOs if he did serve a custodial period if he was found guilty.
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24-03-2022, 20:58
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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I don’t know the ins and outs of the law, but it would certainly send a message to other CEOs if he did serve a custodial period if he was found guilty.
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Custodial? Guilty of what? Unless there was corporate manslaughter attached to his misdeed, or he'd become a director whilst disqualified as such, the most he could get is disqualification and possibly a fine if there was a question of HMRC not getting its share of something.
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24-03-2022, 22:33
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Custodial?
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That’s what I said, yes.
breaking U.K. employment law on a scale, possibly never seen before. Potentially jeopardising the security of 800 families, especially during these trying times.
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Unless there was corporate manslaughter attached to his misdeed, or he'd become a director whilst disqualified as such, the most he could get is disqualification and possibly a fine if there was a question of HMRC not getting its share of something.
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I caveated my post by saying, I don’t know what potential penalties are available to the judiciary in the act. Given the scale of the issue and the seemingly calculated decision to break the law. I hope he gets the harshest possible penalty, whatever that is.
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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That’s what I said, yes.
breaking U.K. employment law on a scale, possibly never seen before. Potentially jeopardising the security of 800 families, especially during these trying times.
I caveated my post by saying, I don’t know what potential penalties are available to the judiciary in the act. Given the scale of the issue and the seemingly calculated decision to break the law. I hope he gets the harshest possible penalty, whatever that is.
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I couldn't agree more, but sadly I doubt he'll be making any new friends on E-wing. What he will get no doubt will be a big fat bonus for doing his master's dirty work and taking the fall for him.
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25-03-2022, 07:47
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Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Lets see how the smug gits feels when he's inside for breaking employment law
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It doesn't work like that. He will not serve any jail time for breaking employment law.
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25-03-2022, 09:56
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I'm sure P&O has done its homework. All the courts would say is pay the ex-workers an enhanced redundancy and this is what P&O has done.
I suspect Johnson's talk of taking the company to court was just to get him off the hook in PMQs in the expectation that people would forget about it.
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25-03-2022, 10:05
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Re: P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
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I'm sure P&O has done its homework. All the courts would say is pay the ex-workers an enhanced redundancy and this is what P&O has done.
I suspect Johnson's talk of taking the company to court was just to get him off the hook in PMQs in the expectation that people would forget about it.
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How was he on the hook? out of interest.
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25-03-2022, 10:17
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Re: P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
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How was he on the hook? out of interest.
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It happened under his watch.
Some may think that's unfair but that's the responsibility that comes with the job. The same would be true if it happened under another Prime Minister.
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25-03-2022, 10:44
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Re: P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
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It happened under his watch.
Some may think that's unfair but that's the responsibility that comes with the job. The same would be true if it happened under another Prime Minister.
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That’s a bit desperate, even for you.
‘On his watch’ generally is used in discussion of failures the one on watch (or their subordinates) should have seen and taken action on.
It is very hard to see how the government could or should have done anything here, especially as P&O has now admitted it knowingly broke the law in the whole area of *not* telling people what it was planning.
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25-03-2022, 11:19
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Re: P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
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That’s a bit desperate, even for you.
‘On his watch’ generally is used in discussion of failures the one on watch (or their subordinates) should have seen and taken action on.
It is very hard to see how the government could or should have done anything here, especially as P&O has now admitted it knowingly broke the law in the whole area of *not* telling people what it was planning.
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Johnson was under pressure on the issue and bought time by saying the government would take action against the company.
The underlying issue here is that UK law is weaker here than some of its European peers which have prevented mass sackings and P&O has exploited this weakness. I'm not sure the finger can be pointed at anyone but the Government with regard to the UK's weaker legislation.
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25-03-2022, 11:32
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Re: P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
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Johnson was under pressure on the issue and bought time by saying the government would take action against the company.
The underlying issue here is that UK law is weaker here than some of its European peers which have prevented mass sackings and P&O has exploited this weakness. I'm not sure the finger can be pointed at anyone but the Government with regard to the UK's weaker legislation.
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In what way is our law weaker?
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