Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Scroll to the end for the spoiler!

As I said before, you need to prove intent if it’s a lie and none of what I’ve heard so far proves intent, just incompetence. In fact, if Labour’s original statements had said Rayner was there then it would have counted in their favour. And whether you or me deem people eating and drinking together as work is irrelevant in the eyes of the law, it’s whether the law views it as a social or work gathering.

Hold your drink – I totally agree! As I said before, if Starmer was fined for breaking the lock down laws he voted for (and called Johnson and others out on) he should resign. As I think Johnson should have already done too following his receipt of that fixed penalty notice.

It’s funny that you are going on about ‘proving intent’. You didn’t make that point when criticising the PM when, according to you, he lied to parliament.

Neither should be resigning over the trivial event of receiving a fine. We’ve got everything way out of proportion here.

The Tories are now trying to calm things down hoping Starmer doesn't resign: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/...50692345245696

JRM not freelancing here. This implicit call for a truce, I’m told, is the line the chief whip is desperate for Tory MPs to take on Beergate.

They’ve been warned that Starmer’s resignation would cause serious problems for the Tories in the country.

Be interesting to see if the Daily Mail also tries to pull back a bit. The rumour that Starmer will resign if fined has spooked them.

But Starmer 100% should resign if fined. I hope he doesn't take this as an excuse to stay on.

BREAKING: Keir Starmer cancels public engagement speaking event due tomorrow, he was due to speak at an event hosted by the billionaire-funded think-tank the Institute for Government. His speech was due to be followed by a Q&A session. - Guido Fawkes.

https://order-order.com/2022/05/08/b...ng-engagement/

Not the so confident leader any more, if he’s now trying to hide.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Keir Starmer cancels public engagement speaking event due tomorrow, he was due to speak at an event hosted by the billionaire-funded think-tank the Institute for Government. His speech was due to be followed by a Q&A session. - Guido Fawkes.

https://order-order.com/2022/05/08/b...ng-engagement/

Not the so confident leader any more, if he’s now trying to hide.

Maybe he knows he's going to be looking for a new job by the time he was due at tomorrow's event.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Maybe he knows he's going to be looking for a new job by the time he was due at tomorrow's event.

Possibly. But optics matter, running away from the press or questions is usually a Boris thing.

Link for the event shows cancelled: https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...armer-briefing

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s funny that you are going on about ‘proving intent’. You didn’t make that point when criticising the PM when, according to you, he lied to parliament.

Neither should be resigning over the trivial event of receiving a fine. We’ve got everything way out of proportion here.

What I actually said when Johnson was fined for breaking his own rules was that he either lied or was incompetent enough to not know his own rules which he had broadcast to the nation about.

Johnson should resign over his fixed penalty notice and if Starmer gets one, he should do the same as well. The trust of a nation in its politicians is not a minor matter. It's the bedrock of a functioning democracy.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Tories are now trying to calm things down hoping Starmer doesn't resign: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/...50692345245696


Be interesting to see if the Daily Mail also tries to pull back a bit. The rumour that Starmer will resign if fined has spooked them.

But Starmer 100% should resign if fined. I hope he doesn't take this as an excuse to stay on.

I'm sure he won't stay on if he is fined. He would become an electoral liability as Johnson has become and the job would cease to be fun. At least if you're PM you get to enjoy power even if you do get difficult TV interviews and even then they're optional.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Firstly, it should go without saying that if Starmer broke the rules he voted in favour of and called others out on, he should resign.

Everything, beyond this statement is totally irrelevant. But thanks anyway.

BREAKING: Labour Party staff were drunk at the Starmer curry and beer gathering in Durham, a person familiar with what happened tells Politico’s Playbook

LOTO, Labour and Mary Foy MP do not deny the claim. - Alex Wickham, Politico’s Playbook.

[1andrew1]

Would you expect LOTO and the Labour Party to respond to such requests on a Sunday? This is not a rhetorical question, I don't know the answer myself.

[papa smurf]

I thought the labour party under Corbyn was bad but sir beer has brought it to a new low.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Would you expect LOTO and the Labour Party to respond to such requests on a Sunday? This is not a rhetorical question, I don't know the answer myself.

Yes, because Sunday morning TV and Sunday newspapers are a big thing, and significant revelations often emerge. There absolutely would be someone in the press office on a Sunday and while it might be Starmer’s day off they absolutely could get a line from him if they wanted to. The choice not to engage is deliberate. You may speculate as to the reasons.

NEW: Tells you all you need to know.

A YouGov poll says Labour Supporters say Keir Starmer should resign more than Conservatives.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Mick

Alex Wickham, Politico’s Playbook.

Personally I'd wait until there is a reporting source other than Alex Wickham the godfather of Winfred Johnson.

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Personally I'd wait until there is a reporting source other than Alex Wickham the godfather of Winfred Johnson.

But using sources like the left leaning guardian/mirror for attacks on Johnson is completely fine…. Got it.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Mick

But using sources like the left leaning guardian/mirror for attacks on Johnson is completely fine…. Got it.

Nothing do to do with it being a left or right site - it's the direct personal link of the reporter to Starmer's/Labour's political rival.