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Old 26-09-2017, 18:53   #1
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David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Fight is semi announced, waiting on Bellew but production behind the scenes has already started, the delay is Hearn pondering over an earlier date for reasons I'll explain in the next paragraph.

David Haye is ranked amongst the top 10 for Joseph Parkers belt and will become the mandatory challenger with a win over Bellew. Bellew's 'Win' over Haye last time out wasn't enough to put him on the board and Hearn wants assurances that should Bellew win, he'd get the Parker fight. However, Parker's next date is early spring and they want Haye vs Bellew over quick enough to get into preparations for that.

For British fans of course it's good news all around. Personally, Haye or Bellew take Parker easily. Bellew takes him over 12 and Haye buries him early, the guy is holding a belt he has no business holding to be fair.

Back onto Haye vs Bellew and what we know.

Is Haye carrying a permanent injury? Unsure but I'm confident Bellew and co wouldn't have agreed a rematch if he was. That then raises questions on why Mcguigan told Haye to retire and then quit.

About the fight? We know nothing. It was abundantly clear after the fight why Haye was so uncomposed from the get go, he was desperate to clear Bellew out before his injury caught up with him. The gameplan cost him massively. If Haye isn't injured then we can expect the calm composed devastating finisher one would expect.

That brings up issues with Bellew, who will fight the same fight but will essentially be fighting a different fighter. A mistake I watched unfold with Froch vs Groves II in which Groves playing the same fight was absolutely dismantled by a far more composed Froch. Bellew has to be really careful stepping into this because Haye's gonna have a massive point to prove and if he's at 100%, it's a whole different kettle of fish. The worst of it being he struggled to get a 1 legged fighter out of there, that's going to crop up in the pre-fight meetings without a doubt and it's a valid point.

Even uninjured, Haye should let the fight come to him, he shouldnt chase a finish. Bellew expects Haye to just rush him and explode which leads to Haye catching the air 80% of the time. Don't do that and actually boxing Bellew will draw him into being knocked out. Basically the same thing he did to Chisora, in which Chisora expected Haye to just throw bombs at him early on and blow himself out. Haye didn't, he boxed Chisora for 5 rounds and got Chisora overconfident in which he started loading up himself, Chisora missed, got countered on the chin and with Haye you just don't recover, he's gone.


Prediction: Haye via TKO (uninjured)
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

This is an interesting one. What's the latest on Haye's Achilles injury? That's an injury that takes a long time to repair and Haye is a big man so his heel will be taking a battering even before we start thinking about the load from his punching. It's a 'real' fight though; Haye is a clever man but Bellew has shown complete belief in himself and delivered; and he handled the pre-fight needle.

It should be a Haye win; but I suspect we thought that last time too...
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

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Is Haye carrying a permanent injury? Unsure but I'm confident Bellew and co wouldn't have agreed a rematch if he was. That then raises questions on why Mcguigan told Haye to retire and then quit.
Just the same as above. Haye says it's healed but McGuigan quit after telling Haye to pack it in apparently. The latest from the Haye camp is they're not happy with it just being healed but are preparing to strengthen it instead and making it a main focus of their camp.

Haye also looks like he's cut down a bit. That's the Haye you don't want to face to be fair, the overblown cruiserweight that retains his speed and his power, whereas recently he's been coming in looking like a natural heavyweight. It'd make sense too because he could wipe the floor with Parker at that weight too but would again face the issues he had with Wlad if he ended up against Joshua.

Bellew is in a hard position. He'll be confident sure, but he'll not be as confident as he could've been had he scored a clean dominant win over Haye. Instead he's got the injury finish lurking over his head and he's back to not knowing what to actually expect from Haye because of reasons above (Haye fought desperate early on) whereas Haye has seen everything Bellew has to offer. Problem was, Bellew didn't get on the rankings as expected with the win, unsure if that's down to how the fight unfolded or because it was expected he'd return to Cruiserweight, so he had to take this rematch because nobody else cared enough to throw him a bone.

Other notable changes for this fight, with the resignation of McGuigan, Haye is now working with Ismael Salas, trainer of Guillermo Rigondeaux. A really intriguing move, Haye already has the speed and power so Salas has time to bring something completely new to Haye's game.

Jimi Manuwa is still working his ticket about a fight with Haye, just a casual reminder he was favourite to win his last UFC bout and found himself knocked out in 42 seconds. He thinks that's enough to last a round with a guy that's probably amongst the top 3 in the world for punching power, only behind Joshua and maybe Wilder. There's no outcome where Haye fights Manuwa though, If Haye wins he goes on to Parker in the Spring, so the idea of Haye fighting Manuwa in March is a troll. If Haye loses convincingly, he'll retire.

All in all, I've got this as an elimination match for Parkers WH title. I'm confident Haye can beat Parker easily and Bellew has a fair chance over 12 but there's a chance of Parker stopping Bellew because of their styles. Haye wouldn't face that problem. That then leaves Haye/Bellew, Wilder and Joshua with belts. Three fighters all capable of knocking each other out. Unless Bellew is holding the belt upon which he's literally a lamb for slaughter.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Haye is taking a big chance with that injury; it's not just this fight, he could permanently disable himself. Although we love a good scrap, I'd much rather he pulled out of this one; he just can't be at his best and that's a wrong situation to carry into the ring. He's an articulate and likeable bloke; his head has to rule his heart and call it a day imo.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Be insurances and clauses to deny Haye the fight if he's medically unfit. I can imagine Hearn has inserted a pre-fight medical a week beforehand to prevent this reoccurring.

Haye needs sparring rounds, without them, no one knows, not even himself. Only then will we get an idea whether he's recovered from it or whether it's going to cause issues. Get back to wearing proper boxing footwear too. Those trainers are annoying. If he gets niggles in training with it and it's troubling him then I'd just call it, there wouldn't be enough time to try anything else.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

David Haye pulls out of Tony Bellew fight.

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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Has a habit of it. At the very least it's his bicep and not his achilles as that really would have been endgame.

Bad news all round though, I feel like the winner would have gotten a title shot and we'd have slowed down the idea of Joshua vs Wilder for a while by getting them all in on the mix together for the next 2/4 of the year. Now I feel like Wilder's camp is gonna press for the AJ fight more than ever as Parker won't go near the pair of them and we needed Haye/Bellew to take the belt off him.

The problem really being is I don't think Joshua is ready for Wilder. He's not the best boxer but his power and speed are far too unpredictable and AJ has never fought that style yet, it's always been one or the other.. or just neither.

Could've done with Tyson Fury to put Joshua through a boxing match. Bellew should take a bum fight in the meantime though.



On the topic though, I do wonder whether Haye actually injured himself via freak accident as claimed or whether it's just blown out.. again. The latter would be worrying as it's becoming too common for him and not freely admitting he's past his date.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

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Has a habit of it. At the very least it's his bicep and not his achilles as that really would have been endgame.

Bad news all round though, I feel like the winner would have gotten a title shot and we'd have slowed down the idea of Joshua vs Wilder for a while by getting them all in on the mix together for the next 2/4 of the year. Now I feel like Wilder's camp is gonna press for the AJ fight more than ever as Parker won't go near the pair of them and we needed Haye/Bellew to take the belt off him.

The problem really being is I don't think Joshua is ready for Wilder. He's not the best boxer but his power and speed are far too unpredictable and AJ has never fought that style yet, it's always been one or the other.. or just neither.

Could've done with Tyson Fury to put Joshua through a boxing match. Bellew should take a bum fight in the meantime though.



On the topic though, I do wonder whether Haye actually injured himself via freak accident as claimed or whether it's just blown out.. again. The latter would be worrying as it's becoming too common for him and not freely admitting he's past his date.
Well I'm glad it's off. As I said, David would have been pushing that achilles; I think he has to retire and go for a career in entertainment. I have enjoyed his fights but would not want to see him go out unconscious or crippled.

As for Wilder and AJ: do you think Wilder has fought a lot of quality? I have my doubts. AJ is a big lad and skillful and in the fight game you have to take on whoever stands in front of you if you want to prove you're worth the title. I think AJ would take him.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Haye is looking lean, maybe cruiserweight lean. I can see why he'd do that but it holds question marks for his future after Bellew. Now that Parker has signed on for AJ and Wilder will undoubtedly be in business elsewhere it makes you wonder whether Haye or Bellew will line up Usyk after the WBSS concludes.

AJ vs Wilder late this year leaves the HW scene locked up tight. Usyk should be free should he win the series. The return of Haye to the CW division or a Dillian Whyte in the summer. The rescheduling of this fight has actually made them both worse off for fighting again this year.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

David Haye comes in 2 stone lighter than last time round. He's going for this.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Next level embarrassing by Haye. Not sure if he wants to be paid or just doesn't give two shits. Is that the same thing? A guy that lasted 12 rounds against klitschko lasted half against bellew, give over.

Barely look like Bellew hit him but just gonna go as if he did. Great cruiserweight but that's it now. I have to fully accept the age of Joshua is upon us. I feel ashamed to have backed this guy. I've been here posting threads giving my opinion. But his time I was seriously wrong. I'll let you all in on a little secret when sober.

---------- Post added at 23:26 ---------- Previous post was at 23:06 ----------

I'd like to apologise to anyone that follows that boxing forum too. I absolutely bought into this.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

No need to apoligise adzii as none of us are experts at the end of the day as one is just giving their opinion and generally most of us usually get it wrong some of the time..
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Next level embarrassing by Haye. Not sure if he wants to be paid or just doesn't give two shits. Is that the same thing? A guy that lasted 12 rounds against klitschko lasted half against bellew, give over.

Barely look like Bellew hit him but just gonna go as if he did. Great cruiserweight but that's it now. I have to fully accept the age of Joshua is upon us. I feel ashamed to have backed this guy. I've been here posting threads giving my opinion. But his time I was seriously wrong. I'll let you all in on a little secret when sober.

---------- Post added at 23:26 ---------- Previous post was at 23:06 ----------

I'd like to apologise to anyone that follows that boxing forum too. I absolutely bought into this.
I backed Bellew, had him in an accumulator to
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Bellew vs Ward or Bellew vs Usyk could be interesting. But aye my sober secret would be betting on Bellew because he had the better deals but then rooting for Haye.

Haye says he's going to rewatch and make a decision on his future. There isn't a decision to be made. He has to retire. Four years of injuries whilst ballooning up to standard heavyweight size, dropping back down to 15st to fight Bellew a second time and losing decisively. Bellew was probably right in post fight too, you're not the one punch finisher anymore at 37.

Gutted for him but interested in the possibility of Bellew vs Usyk, Ward is probably a step too far. Usyk is fairly standard but he's a hard bloke.

Overall though I feel as humbled as I did when Fury beat Klitschko.
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Re: David Haye vs Tony Bellew II (December)

Best analysis here is the one echoed. You can pinpoint the exact moment Haye realises he hasn't got it in him. Age showed up in round 3 and slapped him right around the face.

If you discount Lewis vs Tyson which every bugger watched regardless of age. I think Haye is probably the first boxer I watched religiously throughout besides Khan. Loved every minute of it but absolutely devastated to see him end it like that. I'm hoping he calls it a day and focuses on Hayemaker promotions though. He seems to be in denial at the minute.

Still think Joshua could be had at but I'm all for embracing the age of Joshua and getting all those titles on UK soil.
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