Coronavirus

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Please watch the vid before ya say its bad.....

Maybe it wouldn't be bad if we were all Africans. But we aren't.

Originally Posted by Paul

What on earth is it about ?

As per post title: "Africa has the lowest caseload in the world"

Basically cases in Africa are low and falling, despite very low vaccination rates.
Possibly Africans have some natural immunity due to similar coronaviruses having already circulated.

[Sephiroth]

I had the booster jab on Tuesday last. No after effects whatsoever.

@Snoopz: Do keep us informed.

[1andrew1]

AstraZeneca to take profits from Covid vaccine sales

Pharma group to move away from non-profit model used during pandemic

AstraZeneca has signed its first for-profit deals for its Covid-19 vaccine, moving away from the completely non-profit model that it used during the pandemic.

The Anglo-Swedish drugmaker is now expecting to transition the vaccine to “modest profitability” as new orders are received. The shot, developed with the University of Oxford, will remain non-profit for developing countries.

The move comes after AstraZeneca announced it was creating a vaccine and immune therapies unit, to bring together its Covid-19 products and its other treatments for viral respiratory illnesses.

https://www.ft.com/content/cae4eb5f-...c-6fd3afe352ab

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Maybe it wouldn't be bad if we were all Africans. But we aren't.


As per post title: "Africa has the lowest caseload in the world"

Basically cases in Africa are low and falling, despite very low vaccination rates.
Possibly Africans have some natural immunity due to similar coronaviruses having already circulated.

Seriously?Look at who is posting.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Yet you held this flawed stance for much longer, citing without any evidence whatsoever that it may go away in the summer.

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Yes, and that is what was happening. However, as I have reminded you on several occasions, what happened later was that the more infectious Kent variant struck. That is what changed things and that is why the government’s position on Christmas freedom had to change.

[nffc]

Well, there is a possible school of thought (which may turn out to be bunkum) that previous exposure and immunity to other coronaviruses helps with this one.


I think the case load in Africa is probably due to other factors though. Given the lifestyle in a lot of the countries, due to previous or current poverty etc, they presumably have a much younger population than the likes of the EU, UK, US etc, and fewer older people with underlying health conditions (likely because they have unfortunately already succumbed to them) so if you're looking at say the top risk groups for vaccinations/people getting boosters now, they will probably have fewer of those to start off with. Also, given that covid has a variety of symptoms and in its severe case is basically a viral pneumonia, indeed if people who get it have any symptoms at all, it's likely a lot of infections which were contracted were either not detected due to the symptoms being either minimal or non-existent, and/or due to lack of testing, in all possibility they also wouldn't either have locked down or been able to do so as effectively (which was indeed an argument cited for India). The access to testing you'd imagine would be much less than in other countries too and it took us a while to get mass testing available quickly. So a lot of people there had probably already had it - which is a figure we don't know for anywhere, given that the "first wave" peak of cases was probably as high as the "second wave" but not picked up due to lack of mass testing, when you look at the hospitalisations and deaths the figures are similar there.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

If there is the collective will it can eliminate it as demonstrated by countries who had in their own domestic population. The absence of collective will globally, and availability of vaccines, has changed the game.


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I don’t think you have taken in the hostility of populations to continual lockdowns under the Zero Covid approach, such as in Australia, where the government has acknowledged it got it wrong and should have concentrated on vaccinations as a means of controlling the virus.

This is what you get when you have the zero tolerance approach, as is the case in China.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...sk-warns-mark/

[EXTRACT]
China's zero-Covid strategy is at risk of derailing the global economy and driving up inflation, the former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has warned amid fears of mass factory closures in the run-up to Christmas.

He urged the Communist country to reconsider its approach to Covid after a handful of cases triggered the shutdown of entire cities and pushed the world’s second biggest economy towards recession.

Mr Carney told an LBC podcast that China will have to “evolve or pivot” towards managing the disease through vaccinations, adding: “There are real economic consequences of a hard, zero Covid policy that is maintained.”

Mark Williams, head of Asia at Capital Economics, said China was at risk of a technical recession after the summer shutdowns wiped an estimated 5pc off its economy between July and September.

Mr Carney, who is now the United Nations' climate change envoy, said that a failure to change course would have serious global consequences given China's role as the world's workshop and biggest exporter of goods.

Originally Posted by Dude111

Please watch the vid before ya say its bad.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37KsLA4CPI

https://healthpolicy-watch.org/africa-covid-caseload/

WHO Estimates Africa’s COVID-19 Caseload is Seven Times Higher Than Official Count

Africa is estimated to have seven times more COVID-19 cases and three times as many deaths as officially reported, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) Africa region.

This means that the continent could have around 59 million cases and 634,500 deaths.

“We’re using a model to estimate the degree of under-estimation. Our analysis indicates that as few as one in seven cases is being detected, meaning that the true COVID-19 burden in Africa could be around 59 million people,” said Dr Matshidiso Moeti, WHO’s Africa executive director.

“The proportion of underreporting on deaths is lower. Estimates such as around one in three deaths have been reported. Deaths appear to be low on the continent, in part because of the predominantly younger and more active population,” she told a media briefing on Thursday.

The case figure was extrapolated from country-based seroprevalence surveys while the mortality figure was reached on the basis of excess death statistics, said WHO’s team lead on operational partnerships, Dr Thierno Balde.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and that is what was happening. However, as I have reminded you on several occasions, what happened later was that the more infectious Kent variant struck. That is what changed things and that is why the government’s position on Christmas freedom had to change.

But people said at the time letting the virus infect more people would increase the likelihood of variants occurring, and lo and behold, this happened…

The thing you keep quoting as unforeseeable was very foreseeable.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

For someone who 25% of their input into the forum is crystal ball gazing citing your speculation on the future of the television as “inevitable” I’m quite surprised how frequently said crystal ball has been faulty over Covid.

So you are trying to take this thread off topic by talking about the future of television. Typical distraction technique which I have noticed elsewhere on this forum when people are losing the argument.

My contributions to this forum on various subjects has always been based on evidence I have picked up and think to be correct. You just either use different evidence (the scientists are by no means consistent) or you just want to argue.

You do realise comparing your discussions on one subject is relevant to your discussions on another - stop trying to stifle critiques by crying "off topic" every time you are challenged.

If you have an issue with what you think are off topic discussions, feel free to report it, and it will be considered by the Mods & Admins - it’s not your role in this forum to decide what is or isn’t off topic.

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise comparing your discussions on one subject is relevant to your discussions on another - stop trying to stifle critiques by crying "off topic" every time you are challenged.

If you have an issue with what you think are off topic discussions, feel free to report it, and it will be considered by the Mods & Admins - it’s not your role in this forum to decide what is or isn’t off topic.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and that is what was happening. However, as I have reminded you on several occasions, what happened later was that the more infectious Kent variant struck. That is what changed things and that is why the government’s position on Christmas freedom had to change.

So you didn’t back the science then and you don’t back it now?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don’t think you have taken in the hostility of populations to continual lockdowns under the Zero Covid approach, such as in Australia, where the government has acknowledged it got it wrong and should have concentrated on vaccinations as a means of controlling the virus.

There was nothing wrong with the approach, and the vast majority of the Australian population have enjoyed less restrictions for longer than areas of the UK since March 2020.

Vaccinations have indeed offered an alternative.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So you are trying to take this thread off topic by talking about the future of television. Typical distraction technique which I have noticed elsewhere on this forum when people are losing the argument.

My contributions to this forum on various subjects has always been based on evidence I have picked up and think to be correct. You just either use different evidence (the scientists are by no means consistent) or you just want to argue.

Covid going away in the summer of 2020 despite it circulating already in countries with temperatures warmer than north/central European summer?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise comparing your discussions on one subject is relevant to your discussions on another - stop trying to stifle critiques by crying "off topic" every time you are challenged.

If you have an issue with what you think are off topic discussions, feel free to report it, and it will be considered by the Mods & Admins - it’s not your role in this forum to decide what is or isn’t off topic.

I’m not reporting it, I am simply saying that I know the game that is being played here. The person starts to realise they may be losing the argument and so changes the subject.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Covid going away in the summer of 2020 despite it circulating already in countries with temperatures warmer than north/central European summer?

Covid seems to be capable of raging whether it is hot or cold, jfman. This isn’t flu, you know!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m not reporting it, I am simply saying that I know the game that is being played here. The person starts to realise they may be losing the argument and so changes the subject.

It’s not a game OB to quote your own posts since March 2020 which have shown you to consistently be incorrect on Covid pushing many, sometimes contradictory, narratives.

Your claim that regular boosters will not be required is evidenced nowhere. Merely the same hopeless optimism that gets proven incorrect over time. If anything, the UK needs to quickly acknowledge the waning efficacy of all vaccines and approve a booster for all 18+. Something even Australia has done.

Given your previous concern for the state of vaccination in Australia I must have missed your rush to commend them on their rollout, and concern that we aren’t following suit.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...a#post36084638

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not a game OB to quote your own posts since March 2020 which have shown you to consistently be incorrect on Covid pushing many, sometimes contradictory, narratives.

Your claim that regular boosters will not be required is evidenced nowhere. Merely the same hopeless optimism that gets proven incorrect over time. If anything, the UK needs to quickly acknowledge the waning efficacy of all vaccines and approve a booster for all 18+. Something even Australia has done.

Given your previous concern for the state of vaccination in Australia I must have missed your rush to commend them on their rollout, and concern that we aren’t following suit.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...a#post36084638

I have not claimed that regular boosters won’t be required. I said they may not be required. Twisting everything I say, as usual.

There are two schools of thought. One is that the virus will be circulating for a while yet, but following the two jabs and booster, the population may continue to be protected as the virus circulates and keeps our immune systems topped up, thus giving us protection without the need to give any further vaccines to the healthy population.

The other is that this will not be sufficient and that vaccinations may be needed well into the future.

These possibilities are both based on what the scientists are saying and I am not saying which is correct because at this stage, nobody really knows.