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Old 26-08-2020, 13:14   #3271
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

That’s a commission recommendation - not an official policy. You’re also, falsely, assuming that the SNP would govern an independent Scotland. The Scottish Conservative Party and Labour Party would equally have the opportunity to make different cases for a new tax system.

The recommendation wouldn’t stack up if you are all right about the financial sustainability of Scotland anyway, so they’d quickly need an innovative approach. You can’t simultaneously say they need solutions then dismiss their right to explore them.

And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland can't leave.

Nicola Sturgeon is currently running the UK and we'd be lost without her making the decisions....
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland can't leave.

Nicola Sturgeon is currently running the UK and we'd be lost without her making the decisions....
I wouldn't let her run a bath.
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:28   #3274
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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I wouldn't let her run a bath.
She wouldn't be able to run a bath, withing 2 minutes of her incessant yapping the taps would turn themselves off
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:41   #3275
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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I wouldn't let her run a bath.
Boris would never be able to work out how the taps worked. Then he'd keep changing his mind about hot or cold.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:00   #3276
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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That’s a commission recommendation - not an official policy. You’re also, falsely, assuming that the SNP would govern an independent Scotland. The Scottish Conservative Party and Labour Party would equally have the opportunity to make different cases for a new tax system.

The recommendation wouldn’t stack up if you are all right about the financial sustainability of Scotland anyway, so they’d quickly need an innovative approach. You can’t simultaneously say they need solutions then dismiss their right to explore them.

And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:22   #3277
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Sir Kier would be concerned about treating the hot and cold taps equally and would demand one of those dual taps in the name of diversity.

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So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
He's not listening, mate, he just wants to argue. I'm done with this, personally.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:25   #3278
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
If the Conservatives governed for London, we would still be in the EU.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:32   #3279
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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If the Conservatives governed for London, we would still be in the EU.
. . . and everywhere outside the confines of the M25 would be a desolate wasteland
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:49   #3280
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Latest GERS report out now.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/go...-gers-2019-20/

It finds Scotland’s notional deficit, including a geographic share of North Sea oil and gas revenues, has risen by 1.2 points to 8.6%.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:55   #3281
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I see GERS also decided that Scotland would pay £3.4bn in military spending.

Need to fabricate the figures somehow I guess.

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So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
Once again you’re trying to attribute the impact on the entire economy to one or two companies. Not entirely sure that’s how it’d work. Nobody has said what the SNP policy for an independent Scotland would be because it’s not relevant to my argument.

Right wing people have warned against public spending because of capital flight through tax rises. The reverse of this is encouraging investment by lowering tax - something now suddenly doesn’t work for Scotland. Just be open about the fact you are skewing the facts to suit your ideology/agenda - just as Old Boy does.

I get that England fears an independent Scotland. I would too if I were English, however I’m not so can only look at things objectively from where I sit here in Scotland.
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Old 26-08-2020, 15:06   #3282
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.
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Old 26-08-2020, 15:48   #3283
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I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.
That's generally the attitude I'd expect if all that is claimed were true. England will be better off anyway (allegedly). I'd simply bid Scotland farewell and with them good luck if that were true.

However there's this underlying thing that seems to get the juices going among some British nationalists that it's something for them to massively fear. I'm keen to scratch the surface of it because if it were straightforward economics, and the English national interest, it'd be see you later.
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Latest GERS report out now.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/go...-gers-2019-20/

It finds Scotland’s notional deficit, including a geographic share of North Sea oil and gas revenues, has risen by 1.2 points to 8.6%.
That’ still four fifths of five eighths of naff all.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

SNP humiliation as Sturgeon ABANDONS major independence project - report obliterates hopes

THE SNP has ditched plans to publish an "annual economic case for independence", with pro-union campaigners claiming the UK is "more valuable than ever" to Scotland.

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) publication highlights how much the country raises in taxes compared to how much it spends on public services.

The report showed report showed Scotland’s national deficit was 8.6 percent of GDP in 2019/20, as public spending north of the border outstripped tax revenues by £15.1billion.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...economy-latest
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