Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[greeninferno]

Originally Posted by Osem

Salmond's doing a great job of emulating Putin's hyprocrisy right now.

well he does admire putin

[Ignitionnet]

Wonder if they'll get the London Borough of Tower Hamlets in to supervise the count?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Wonder if they'll get the London Borough of Tower Hamlets in to supervise the count?

It'll be interesting how 'animated' the SNP lot become if they start to think things aren't going their way. They're already acting like boorish idiots and always seem to resort to accusations or threats when they can't answer questions like what's plan B when it comes to a currency?

Salmond has brought the sort of off the field tactics normally associated with an England trip to Murrayfield into politics and just as with the rugby, it's a sure sign of desperation to win at any cost.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1333891/sc...prices-warning

I have never heard so much crap in all my life. What we simply have is that Scotland, are still within the UK. Irrespective, of the fact that they want to run there own 'country'.

We have MPs saying this and that, What Scotland has is the riches of the oil fields, dont forget, they get a better health care than we do.

My wife is Scottish, and are proud of there birthplace. And have been wanted to vote, but have been told they cannot.

IF Scotland can run there own 'country' then let them do it. They seem to run it better, than Cameron is running the rest of the UK.

[Ignitionnet]

Actually, Arthur, that's entirely factual but hey why let facts get in the way of a good rant?

Salmond seems to have forgotten that a campaign rally and a press conference are two different kinds of event.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5804192.html

Alex Salmond has been accused of "surrounding himself with Yes men" after hosting an "international press conference" where audience members clapped him as he responded to questions.

Taking questions in Edinburgh today, the Scottish first minister was applauded as he poured scorn on BBC political editor Nick Robinson's impartiality and accused him of "heckling".

YouGov poll tonight for The Sun/The Times.

Murdoch hasn't tweeted a spoiler which might suggest it's not to his liking. Alternatively tomorrow might be the day that The Sun in Scotland comes out supporting Independence and has a nice juicy poll to hammer the point home. The latter is out of the control of Murdoch, YouGov are a reputable company that won't produce a loaded poll to suit the political motivations of the client.

Still I imagine the timing of the Yes pronouncement will be coordinated to have the biggest impact to give a positive news cycle for Yes. When The Sun backed the Conservatives for the 2010 General Election they did it the day after Gordon Brown's speech to the Labour Conference, which was otherwise well received, to kill any positive press he would have gotten.

This is the a card we presume Yes have up their sleeve it's just a question of when it's deployed.

There's no question of Kellner rigging a poll to suit Murdoch, but something peculiar has definitely happened to YouGov's sample. The shift in opinion it has shown in the last month should have had at least an echo in this week's Survation poll, but there wasn't even a flicker. Survation is absolutely rock steady, with a 6-point lead for No.

Originally Posted by Chris

There's no question of Kellner rigging a poll to suit Murdoch, but something peculiar has definitely happened to YouGov's sample. The shift in opinion it has shown in the last month should have had at least an echo in this week's Survation poll, but there wasn't even a flicker. Survation is absolutely rock steady, with a 6-point lead for No.

It could be argued YouGov was reverting to the mean but it was odd as where did those extra people come from? There is the concept of herding where polls that are significant outliers suddenly adjust as they don't want to be wrong but no one has suggested a methodology change from YouGov for that poll.

We'll see tonight if it's stable, regressed a bit, moved for Yes a bit. Given the lack of 'hype' from Murdoch I suspect it's but No just ahead again.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1333891/sc...prices-warning I have never heard so much crap in all my life. What we simply have is that Scotland, are still within the UK. Irrespective, of the fact that they want to run their own 'country'. We have MPs saying this and that, What Scotland has is the riches of the oil fields, dont forget, they get a better healthcare than we do. My wife is Scottish, and are proud of there birthplace. And have been wanted to vote, but have been told they cannot. IF Scotland can run their own 'country' then let them do it. They seem to run it better, than Cameron is running the rest of the UK.

Sorry Arthur but huh?

If Scotland was to seperate then the higher prices ARE a possiblity. They will NOT be within the UK at all. Attached to it but not in it.

Scotland has the exact same healthcare....The NHS its just we run it a bit better.

However currently Scotland is still 'run' by Cameron and Westminster. We just have control over certain things like education, Policing, health. The main things are still the exact same as England/Wales/NI.

BTW It's worth looking at Murdoch's Twitter feed to see just how much he is enjoying toying around with what he plans to do. Drops teasingly little tweets now and then...

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch

He is really not happy with Westminster but I suspect it's more over phone hacking than anything higher, more noble, purpose.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Salmond seems to have forgotten that a campaign rally and a press conference are two different kinds of event.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5804192.html

Salmond's becoming increasingly delusional. Why anyone want to put their trust in him is beyond me. A 'press conference' surrounded by sychophants? Sounding ever more like Putin...

[Mr Angry]

If anyone wants an insight as to just how disappointingly biased, selective and embittered some at the BBC have become when it comes to reporting facts I'd invite them to watch these two clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enrdDaf3uss

YouGov puts No back in the lead:

YES - 48% (-3)
NO - 52% (+3)

Anyone unable to see the schools debate on BBC One Scotland that has just finished, you must see it when it's broadcast to the rest of the UK after the news, starting around 10.40pm IIRC. Patrick Harvie, Nicola Sturgeon, Ruth Davidson and Gorgeous George Galloway in front of an audience of 7,000 sixth year pupils from every school in Scotland.

This was by far the best debate I have seen and this time the BBC Scotland hack in the chair wasn't afraid to keep control and tell the panellists to shut up when necessary.

And, in terms of getting their points across, a modest win for the No campaign, IMO. Harvie was earnest but esoteric while Sturgeon resorted to playing the man (or woman) as is the nationalist way. Davidson was calm and clear while Galloway ... well, he was George Galloway. A good orator.