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Old 26-06-2017, 09:03   #31
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Re: Queens Speech (Government Plans) 2017

Politicians only appreciate the armed forces when they want to use them and then expect to be able to prat around with the defence budget and interfere in appropriations whilst forgetting about the people. Whilst our loses in the official wars should always be remembered and honoured it would be nice if a means to pay tribute to the special and covert services personnel that die in between the public wars could happen. Those people are no less of a loss but rarely get mentioned or honoured even their funerals are treated almost like dirty secrets.
 
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Politicians only appreciate the armed forces when they want to use them and then expect to be able to prat around with the defence budget and interfere in appropriations whilst forgetting about the people. Whilst our loses in the official wars should always be remembered and honoured it would be nice if a means to pay tribute to the special and covert services personnel that die in between the public wars could happen. Those people are no less of a loss but rarely get mentioned or honoured even their funerals are treated almost like dirty secrets.
Indeed and not just the special forces either. I was a submariner in the early 70s during the cold war and we had losses even then, but they were classed as tragic accidents cause we were in places that we shouldn`t be and so have not been officially recognised. I think but not sure that Hugh on here was in places where he shouldn`t be as well.
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Re: Queens Speech (Government Plans) 2017

DUP deal done:
  • £1 Billion extra for Northern Ireland
  • Triple-lock pensions stay
  • Winter fuel allowance remains
  • Defense commitment to stay at 2% (tho that was never in question...)
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DUP deal done:
  • £1 Billion extra for Northern Ireland
  • Triple-lock pensions stay
  • Winter fuel allowance remains
  • Defense commitment to stay at 2% (tho that was never in question...)
what cuts in England will be made to pay for it £100m per vote and can say goodbye to good Friday agreement

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Old 26-06-2017, 12:51   #35
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...and can say goodbye to good Friday agreement
Other key points of the agreement include:

* The DUP will support the Tories on all Brexit and security legislation
* The UK's 2% Nato defence spending target will continue to be met
* Cash support for farmers will remain at current levels until the next election
* Both parties to adhere to commitments in Good Friday Agreement
* No Irish border poll without "consent of the people


There is also no agreement that they will support the government on any other policies other than those covered in the agreement.
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No sure they will be many other policies given the governments weakened position in parliament.
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Other key points of the agreement include:

* The DUP will support the Tories on all Brexit and security legislation
* The UK's 2% Nato defence spending target will continue to be met
* Cash support for farmers will remain at current levels until the next election
* Both parties to adhere to commitments in Good Friday Agreement
* No Irish border poll without "consent of the people


There is also no agreement that they will support the government on any other policies other than those covered in the agreement.
both parties to adhere how when british suppost to be totally impartial in good Friday agreement and how can it be when one side wags the tail of the british govenment

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Old 26-06-2017, 13:13   #38
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Because he went to Glastonbury and not the Armed Forces Day? Is the latter a thing it's customary for the leader of the opposition to attend? I really don't see that as a disgrace or nasty. If he didn't turn up to remembrance day that would be something else entirely.
What's a disgrace is that he posted an old picture to give the impression he was doing something he wasn't.
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What's a disgrace is that he posted an old picture to give the impression he was doing something he wasn't.
What is disgraceful is Theresa May took a needless gamble and lost by her own lack of effort this country of £1billion plus and the cost of the general election on top. And you moan about a photo.
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What is disgraceful is Theresa May took a needless gamble and lost by her own lack of effort this country of £1billion plus and the cost of the general election on top. And you moan about a photo.
£1 Billion is peanuts (No Pun intended) to the billions useless Corbyn and his cronies would have cost this country in freebies, had they got to power, thank goodness this disaster has been avoided.
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£1 Billion is peanuts (No Pun intended) to the billions useless Corbyn and his cronies would have cost this country in freebies, had they got to power, thank goodness this disaster has been avoided.
You missed my point, she didn't need to call a general election, and if she did put some effort in to it she probably would have got her majority. So the £1billion+ is on her shoulders.
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You missed my point, she didn't need to call a general election, and if she did put some effort in to it she probably would have got her majority. So the £1billion+ is on her shoulders.
I do not feel that I have missed any point, we have already established weeks ago she was wrong to call an election, but it's easy to say now in hindsight with 20/20 vision, on a sunny day like today, she should not have done it, but at the time she called it, she was 20 points clear and on track to win a massive landslide. Of course you have to run a super campaign and maintain such a lead.

May is extremely lucky that Corbyn is leader, I do not buy this sudden surge in popularity and I do not buy that there is complete harmony within Labour ranks.

My mates daughter was there at Glastonbury at the weekend and she said when Corbyn appeared on stage, he appeared absolutely cringe worthy, it was like an old uncle getting up to sing and dance at a wedding. My friend asked his daughter, he hope she did not take his crap in, she said no way. She said most will have been too stoned to care or remember what he said any way.
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£1 Billion is peanuts (No Pun intended) to the billions useless Corbyn and his cronies would have cost this country in freebies, had they got to power, thank goodness this disaster has been avoided.
The continuation of the triple-lock will end up costing far more than the £1 billion here will.
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The continuation of the triple-lock will end up costing far more than the £1 billion here will.
I doubt it will cost £25 Billion and more which is what Labour were planning on borrowing to pay for all their freebies and carrot dangling.
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What is disgraceful is Theresa May took a needless gamble and lost by her own lack of effort this country of £1billion plus and the cost of the general election on top. And you moan about a photo.
So unless we can come up with something that equates to £1bn in your mind we can't criticise Corbyn on an entirely different subject. You're not a momentum member are you?

The £1bn hasn't been lost either - it's going to be spent on things in a part of the UK which I'd have thought those who've been whining constantly about austerity ought to be pleased about unless it's only their areas they want to have investment in...

Incidentally I'm not moaning about a photo, I'm pointing out Corbyn's utter hypocrisy when it comes to our armed forces. That has nothing to do with the PM or the Tories, it has to do with him being a nasty hypocrite who has plenty of previous when it comes to being offensive and I'm going to continue pointing that out whenever I want to.

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In 2010 Gordon Brown wrote to the DUP seeking a deal to help him cling to power. He guaranteed money for Northern Ireland and implied Northern Ireland would need more cash than the rest of the UK:
So typical of Corbyn's cronies to whine about the DUP deal when what did Labour do in 2010 I wonder?...

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/l...eland-in-2010/

Well we didn't really need to wonder at all did we. Labour have long perfected the art of saying one thing whilst doing another.

The we have the shadow chancellor claiming the Grenfell House victims were murdered.

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/m...were-murdered/

This guy is a complete loony who just can't help himself. We're in the midst of a complex legal investigation and he thinks it's OK to start bandying terms like that around.
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