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Old 08-01-2016, 13:18   #46
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Aye right ... because the BBC would in no way have pulled exactly the same stunt had it been a Tory MP.

The odd thing is, from here in Scotlandshire the behaviour of the Corbynites looks like it's exhibiting much of the same fevered paranoia and baseless triumphalism of the 2014 Yessers. The lesson from history is that it will all end in tears.
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Pretty anyone devoted to a political faction seems to act like this now. Everyone and everything is a establishment* conspiracy against them. Only really the Tories and Lib-Dems seem not to do this. New Politics seems to mean cult like behavior.

*where the definition of establishment is 'anyone who disagrees with me'
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Kerfulle defn. - a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views.

There's no kerfuffle within the Labour party regarding the reshuffle??

Course not...
Sound quite neutrally descriptive doesn't it. Makes you wonder why they used Kerfuffle in a pejorative way then.

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This is nonsense on stilts.

In the real world, the impact Jeremy Corbyn is having even amongst those who voted Labour last May (and remember, there weren't even enough of them to win the election), is laid bare in approval polling by Yougov, discussed here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...my-Corbyn.html

Cameron's net approval amongst those who voted Tory in May is around double Corbyn's, in percentage point terms. And Cameron, unlike Labour, secured sufficient votes to win that election.

It does not take a genius to work out the trajectory Labour is now on, and will remain on unless something pretty fundamental changes between now and the next election (fundamental being, for example, Labour ditching Corbyn for a leader with appeal to the nation, as opposed to the hard-left insurgency that has been infiltrating the party over the last 6 months).

I guess it's the way you tell 'em. The picture varies with the political colour of the source.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-7003261
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Old 08-01-2016, 16:10   #48
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Pretty anyone devoted to a political faction seems to act like this now. Everyone and everything is a establishment* conspiracy against them. Only really the Tories and Lib-Dems seem not to do this. New Politics seems to mean cult like behavior.

*where the definition of establishment is 'anyone who disagrees with me'
There's nothing new about Corbyn or his politics. It's the same tired old garbage underpinned by the same bile and nastiness that was evident in the 1970's inside the Labour party, sections of the unions and other organisations like Militant. In their own way these people are just as extreme as the right wing fanatics they spend their lives whining about. Scrape the surface of Corby's Cronies and their nastiness really isn't very far underneath but they seem to think claiming to represent the working class gives them the right to behave like bullies and thugs.

It's rather like the student morons who routinely berate nasty Tories but think nothing of going around defacing war memorials, smashing up buildings, burning cars etc. when they can't get their way.
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I guess it's the way you tell 'em. The picture varies with the political colour of the source.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-7003261
Well yes, you could cling to data that's a month out of date if you like. Or, you could refer to the net approval bar chart in my link, which includes figures for January, and shows Corbyn's net approval rating has been on a downward trend since the day he was voted in, and has dropped a further 4 points, to net +4%, between 17 December and 5 January.

Frankly, whether he was more or less popular than Ed Miliband on an arbitrary date at the beginning of last December is completely irrelevant. The direction of travel should send shivers down the spine of anyone who seriously wants to see a Labour government in 2020 (or bring tears of joy to those, like me, who do not).
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Sound quite neutrally descriptive doesn't it. Makes you wonder why they used Kerfuffle in a pejorative way then.

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I guess it's the way you tell 'em. The picture varies with the political colour of the source.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-7003261
Being more popular than Ed Milliband.

Wow! What an achievement!

What's next - more popular than Peter Sutcliffe?

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A quarter of the public believe the radical left-winger is turning out to be a good leader of the Labour Party compared with 17% for his predecessor in the months after he was elected, according to the study.

Labour has also gone up two points to 29% in the monthly ComRes poll for the Sunday Mirror and The Independent on Sunday while the Conservatives have dropped two, although they are still significantly out ahead on 40%.
A whole quarter, eh?
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There's nothing new about Corbyn or his politics. It's the same tired old garbage underpinned by the same bile and nastiness that was evident in the 1970's inside the Labour party, sections of the unions and other organisations like Militant. In their own way these people are just as extreme as the right wing fanatics they spend their lives whining about. Scrape the surface of Corby's Cronies and their nastiness really isn't very far underneath but they seem to think claiming to represent the working class gives them the right to behave like bullies and thugs.
This is a good example of what you mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt9NXPMft7M (I like watching his videos are getting angry at him). So much hate for the Tories (even more so for left-wing moderates) and contempt for everyone else.

This is getting more common as far as I can see. Across the political spectrum. Cult like following of their political ideology.
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Is that Russell Brand's brother?

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Being more popular than Ed Milliband.

Wow! What an achievement!

What's next - more popular than Peter Sutcliffe?

A whole quarter, eh?
One day he might reach the political heights of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock.
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Well argued. Glad to see our education system is producing such wonderful debating skills.
Theres no need for a debate, he is unelectable, completely out of touch with the way the majority of the country feels on a number of issues ie terrorism.
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Theres no need for a debate, he is unelectable, completely out of touch with the way the majority of the country feels on a number of issues ie terrorism.
You're telling me we like knee jerk reactions, u turns, lies and spivs in nice suits stitching us up all the time. Sounds like it's the public that's out of touch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tright-6470638
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Funny you should say that...

http://newsthump.com/2016/01/08/labo...rom-the-party/

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Labour shake-up completes purge of voters from the party

The Labour Party has successfully purged itself of a radical right-wing group calling itself ‘the electorate’ this week.

The group, composed of ‘voters’, were considered too right-wing to fit with the future direction of the party and ‘had to go’.

The party leadership had a long internal debate over the matter before concluding that the general population doesn’t share their aims and principles and under the circumstances it’s best just to part ways.

“For Labour to be a true, radical, socialist alternative then the voters just had to go,” spokesman Simon Williams told us.

“This way we can move forward as a Party without being hindered by dissenting opinions or any chance of winning an election.

“We hope to still be friends, but really we’re not going to be inviting them to anything anytime soon.”

Leader Jeremy Corbyn has stressed that he is open to any and all opinions, so long as members of his party don’t express them in any way ever again.


btw, talking of 'press bias', the fact that the author of the Mirror article has stated in one of his books that his favourite job was as a press officer for Ken Livingstone at the GLC May be relevant.
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You're telling me we like knee jerk reactions, u turns, lies and spivs in nice suits stitching us up all the time. Sounds like it's the public that's out of touch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tright-6470638
If you insist on judging other people based on your own caricature of them, you will never understand them.

The statistics are quite clear. Regardless of what you think of the British public, it is clear the British public doesn't think much of Jeremy Corbyn. No amount of railing against people and telling them they are out of touch is going to change that fact. You just make yourself sound like a beardy old Trot foaming on about false consciousness.
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How nice of Corbyn's cronies and desperate supporters to tell the public and everyone else who disagrees that they're out of touch. Cameron's success was managed by Lynton Crosby and it seems Corbyn's employed Comical Ali...
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

I regard it a bit like this board, lots of people say nothing and either watch or ignore not interested (like a vast swathe of the populace) then you get a reasonably high number of posters who comment if not pro Conservative , then at least anti-Labour/left/far lefty

THEN

You get a dribble of posters who plaintively try and make their voices heard too, except that their message is so out there, they're not really taken seriously, undeterred they'll resort to more and more wibbly logic to promote their beliefs. Generally to limited or zero effect.

I don't feel this board is that far off a reflection of the bigger picture that is this country's electorate.

Just saying...
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You're telling me we like knee jerk reactions, u turns, lies and spivs in nice suits stitching us up all the time. Sounds like it's the public that's out of touch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tright-6470638
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Osem, Banana et al,

I am the first to accept that Corbyn has an uphill struggle against the joint campaign of the Tories, the Tory press, the Labour right and establishment Liberals. The astonishing thing Corbyn is still in a better than expected position in terms of popularity. Despite the lies, the misrepresentation and the back stabbing of those who oppose him, his personal style and high principles impress even those who are not his natural followers.

JC should keep on his current tack, put greenhorn errors behind him and continue to stick to policy debate rather than yahboo politics. Unlike most politicians he is a grown up with the welfare of people at his heart. I truly hope that will give him the edge as time moves on.
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