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Old 14-09-2019, 12:19   #2296
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

Yes be patient, Brexit just doesn't happen overnight, as you might have noticed

Interesting that referendum talk has started to come back from all quarters. Makes sense to get a deal then put it to the public to ask if they want it. At least then we will know exactly what we're voting for. If it's still basically TMs deal, it's a crap deal, and it might end up with both Brexiters and Remainers voting the same way, to reject.
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Old 14-09-2019, 12:36   #2297
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

Oops! Gove et al have been telling porkies. (shock, horror, etc.)

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-msp-1-5003241

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The UK government has been accused of "doctoring" its Operation Yellowhammer documents to downplay the risk of a no-deal Brexit.

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie said the Conservative government had been “caught red handed” after Nicola Sturgeon admitted that the Yellowhammer report the Scottish Government received was entitled "base scenario".

Yesterday the UK government released a version of the same document, but which was entitled "reasonable worst case scenario".
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Old 14-09-2019, 12:43   #2298
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

It is very difficult for me to bury my head in the sand and say leave without an agreement given the Parliamentary mess we are in.

The EU stinks; see the new Juncker and her appointments for details. How the hell she got ratified by that federalist Parliament is but another example of that skunk institution.

But back here, it’s 52/48 that’s now in the frame because of the anti-democratic shenanigans of our own Parliamentarians.

Thus thing could fork in one of two ways:

1/
We get out one way or another and it all blows over within a year (what’s a year vs 3 years?).

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We resolve our internal problems with a referendum; not yet an election because we want to avoid a hung Parliament if possible. Then the fury will also die down after the noisy brigade among the 52 finish venting their spleen.

Something has got to give if we are to save ourselves.
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Old 14-09-2019, 12:45   #2299
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

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Oops! Gove et al have been telling porkies. (shock, horror, etc.)

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-msp-1-5003241

Reasonable worst case scenario sounds like a contradiction in terms. I wonder what new title they have for the actual predicted worst case scenario outlined in Black Swan.
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

No deal was never going to happen anyway. Bozza just wanted it as a bluff for the EU; it's failed. It would be electoral suicide which will always be his first consideration. He's not even really a Brexiteer, just a vehicle for the top job. Took ages to decide which side he was on when this all kicked off, and wrote a pro Remain article for the Times !
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3370296.html
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Oops! Gove et al have been telling porkies. (shock, horror, etc.)

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-msp-1-5003241
No surprise there given how mendacious and duplicitous he is.
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No deal was never going to happen anyway. Bozza just wanted it as a bluff for the EU; it's failed. It would be electoral suicide which will always be his first consideration. He's not even really a Brexiteer, just a vehicle for the top job. Took ages to decide which side he was on when this all kicked off, and wrote a pro Remain article for the Times !
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3370296.html
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Thatís not what he says. He says after two years you are out... that didnít happen either.
Funny that isnít it? Itís like itís the reason everybody is a little bit angry.
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Old 14-09-2019, 13:20   #2304
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It is very difficult for me to bury my head in the sand and say leave without an agreement given the Parliamentary mess we are in.

The EU stinks; see the new Juncker and her appointments for details. How the hell she got ratified by that federalist Parliament is but another example of that skunk institution.

But back here, itís 52/48 thatís now in the frame because of the anti-democratic shenanigans of our own Parliamentarians.

Thus thing could fork in one of two ways:

1/
We get out one way or another and it all blows over within a year (whatís a year vs 3 years?).

2/
We resolve our internal problems with a referendum; not yet an election because we want to avoid a hung Parliament if possible. Then the fury will also die down after the noisy brigade among the 52 finish venting their spleen.

Something has got to give if we are to save ourselves.
In my view another referendum just disrespects the outcome of the first and would be like throwing petrol on a fire,a dangerous rout that won't end well.
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Funny that isn’t it? It’s like it’s the reason everybody is a little bit angry.
I think equally as many, if not more, on the other side are angry about the overt corruption of the Leave campaign. A larger number than that are probably annoyed at the paralysis of Government.
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I think equally as many, if not more, on the other side are angry about the overt corruption of the Leave campaign. A larger number than that are probably annoyed at the paralysis of Government.
Corruption . . such a nice word. Not sure where if it fits here though.
Maybe try the word deceitful instead, that seems to fit both sides quite nicely I guess

I'd agree entirely that many people are becoming more annoyed at the Parliamentary shenanigans leading to the paralysis we now have, and I'd expect many 'leavers' are now more hardened in their attitude towards both the EU, who obviously would like us to remain, and many of our own politicians who seem to be EU quislings

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Re: PM Boris forms a government

In the absence of any significant developments this thread has just descended into the same pointless, circular bickering over the conduct of the 2016 referendum that caused the official thread to be closed.

I have closed this thread for the time being while the team consults on what to do next.
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