UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal - Page 66

papa smurf · 05-10-2019, 18:10

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Originally Posted by jfman

If all of the above is a correct interpretation all that will happen is a minor technical extension for the purposes of approving a deal. If Boris has a deal acceptable to Parliament, and results in leaving, it'd be fairly uncontroversial.

If he doesn't have a deal, and Parliament hasn't approved one in principle, the Benn Act applies.

Lay down and surrender.

1andrew1 · 05-10-2019, 18:52

Good point from Bonnie Greer in Question Time

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Ms Greer added: “The United States is Irish. If anyone thinks that they’re going to get a deal through and have a trade relationship with the United States that shafts Ireland, you’ve got another thing coming.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-a9144131.html

papa smurf · 05-10-2019, 19:04

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good point from Bonnie Greer in Question Time

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-a9144131.html

About 33 million Americans — 10.1% of the total population — self-identified as being of Irish ancestry in the 2017 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau.

that means just under 90% aren't irish.

jfman · 05-10-2019, 19:30

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Lay down and surrender.

Or have the public approve no deal in a referendum or general election. Easy.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

About 33 million Americans — 10.1% of the total population — self-identified as being of Irish ancestry in the 2017 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau.

that means just under 90% aren't irish.

You're assuming all are represented equally. African Americans, Hispanics are underrepresented.

I agree the US isn't going to shaft Ireland. They won't need to, they'll be shafting the UK.

papa smurf · 05-10-2019, 19:53

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Or have the public approve no deal in a referendum or general election. Easy.

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You're assuming all are represented equally. African Americans, Hispanics are underrepresented.

I agree the US isn't going to shaft Ireland. They won't need to, they'll be shafting the UK.

I'm not assuming anything i merely posted a statistical fact,your imagination did the rest.

nomadking · 05-10-2019, 20:16

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good point from Bonnie Greer in Question Time

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-a9144131.html

How does not having the backstop "shaft" the Irish? Any real negative impact comes from us leaving the EU full stop. The backstop doesn't remove borders, it just moves it.

For the US or Ireland, to insist on the UK remaining locked into the EU, at the behest of a bunch of terrorists who are still active, is quite obscene beyond belief.

jfman · 05-10-2019, 20:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking

How does not having the backstop "shaft" the Irish? Any real negative impact comes from us leaving the EU full stop. The backstop doesn't remove borders, it just moves it.

For the US or Ireland, to insist on the UK remaining locked into the EU, at the behest of a bunch of terrorists who are still active, is quite obscene beyond belief.

Because any “light” border leaves Ireland at risk of non-EU standard goods flooding tariff freely into their country. Threatening Irish jobs, Irish tax revenues, etc.

nomadking · 05-10-2019, 21:18

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Because any “light” border leaves Ireland at risk of non-EU standard goods flooding tariff freely into their country. Threatening Irish jobs, Irish tax revenues, etc.

Tax, VAT, and currency differences currently have a financial effect. Non-EU standard goods flow freely from Ireland into the UK, eg horse meat masquerading as beef. It is the backstop that would allow that to happen. How many more times.

There are already instances of "light" EU-non EU borders.

1andrew1 · 05-10-2019, 22:01

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Tax, VAT, and currency differences currently have a financial effect. Non-EU standard goods flow freely from Ireland into the UK, eg horse meat masquerading as beef. It is the backstop that would allow that to happen. How many more times.

There are already instances of "light" EU-non EU borders.

What's a light border and can you cite one? Not EU-Switzerland, we've covered off that one.

Mr K · 05-10-2019, 22:33

Yesterday the Torygraph were looking to Hungary for a hard Brexit (didn't it used to be Poland?) Today it's the threat of sabotaging the EU. Are they making it up as they go aIong ? It's panic stations at Bozzas HQ....

Even more laughable are the Govt. adverts telling us to prepare for Brexit on 31/10

. It's them that need to be preparing to beg for an extension again...

**Mick** · 05-10-2019, 23:01

Hahahaha - hope we do sabotage those corrupted cretins. Let's appoint Farage and piss off those pricks even more that they don't give us an extention.

They need to stop making us stay in their corrupted "empire"* then and let us bloody leave FFS, like we voted for!!!

* Using "empire" from Verhoftstadt or has Chris calls him Verhoftstwat.

**Chris** · 05-10-2019, 23:28

HMG doesn’t actually have to do anything ... it simply has to fail to appoint a Commissioner, which renders the Commission in breach of its own rules. I believe there is also an opportunity for us to fail to agree to the new budget, which would bring the whole show to a grinding halt.

Poisoning the well is a time-honoured last resort tactic for averting an undesired outcome. Companies do it to themselves to avoid hostile takeover. Here, HMG might threaten to do it to avert any possible chance that the EU might actually agree to an extension beyond 31 October.

1andrew1 · 05-10-2019, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yesterday the Torygraph were looking to Hungary for a hard Brexit (didn't it used to be Poland?) Today it's the threat of sabotaging the EU. Are they making it up as they go aIong ? It's panic stations at Bozzas HQ....

Even more laughable are the Govt. adverts telling us to prepare for Brexit on 31/10

. It's them that need to be preparing to beg for an extension again...

Spot on Mr K. If you don't succeed at first with trying to coerce an EU member state to vote illogically, then the next straw to clutch at is to try and sabotage the EU. May have helped if the Boris Government hadn't decided to scale back its involvement in the EU. Oops!

But just supposing it could exert influence and sabotage things a little? I'm sure the EU would forgive and forget when the UK requested a free trade deal afterwards and the UK's emails wouldn't go into the EU's spam box and its calls to voicemail.

**Mick** · 05-10-2019, 23:36

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on Mr K. If you don't succeed at first with trying to coerce an EU member state to vote illogically, then the next straw to clutch at is to try and sabotage the EU. May have helped if the Boris Government hadn't decided to scale back its involvement in the EU. Oops!

Not spot on at all - far from it. We need to sabotage a relationship we should NOT still be in!!!

1andrew1 · 05-10-2019, 23:47

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Not spot on at all - far from it. We need to sabotage a relationship we should NOT still be in!!!

The Conservative Party promotes itself as the party of law and order. Breaking the law or the spirit of the law would further damage this image.

As mentioned above, it wouldn't get requests for a free trade deal off to a good start. The myth of "they need us more than we need them" has long since faded into the sunset.

It would also prevent the Government from taking the moral high ground with climate change protestors and complaining to countries about ways in which they operate.

Remember, the Brexit vote did not give a timescale. Leaving the EU could be enacted in 10 years' time and would still honour the vote.