UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Hardly. Those idiot Lib Dem MPs are set to vote against the deal. Plus, of course, those lunatic Scottish Nats.

I was reading somewhere this morning that some labour remainers will vote against it.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We left the EU this year. Time to move on.

I sincerely doubt any of the extremists on either side are ready to move on.

The Lib Dems are federalists. They are also irrelevant so they can afford a protest vote no matter how intellectually incoherent it is. The SNP ... well what can you say about that shower? They used to have intellectual consistency, prior to 1992 when they were as Eurosceptic as it got. Back then their desire for Scottish sovereignty allowed them to understand the growing threat posed by the EU. Since Alex Salmond turned them into the anyone-but-the-Tories party, they are tragically no longer able to acknowledge the logic of their own position.

If the trade deal promised Scotland a free unicorn that crapped pure gold every Tuesday they’d still find a reason to oppose it, because it’s a Tory project. Their bankruptcy knows no depths.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nobody is obliged to back it. The Government have enough votes. It’s a Tory deal, negotiated by Tories for Tories. Hopefully it resolves the schism in their party and they can get on with sorting out the rest of the problems we face.

Very true. But this is a national matter.

The Lib Dem position is that the UK could have obtained an extension - btw paying into the EU until (!) a "better" deal could be negotiated. What tripe.

The NATs are just a bunch of whinging troublemakers whose strategy might be to piss the English off so far as to get the people to urge for Scotland to leave the Union. This one is going to get nasty.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Anyhoo, on a brighter note, EHIC cards are remaining valid until their expiry date (ours expire mid June 2024).

Still time to apply online for yours, which will be valid for 5 years.

Never had or needed one, I use some fanciful abstract idea, called “Travel Insurance”

Originally Posted by Pierre

Never had or needed one, I use some fanciful abstract idea, called “Travel Insurance”

Yeah, I had the old E111 for a school trip to France in 1985, after that any overseas travel was always properly insured.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Very true. But this is a national matter.

The Lib Dem position is that the UK could have obtained an extension - btw paying into the EU until (!) a "better" deal could be negotiated. What tripe.

The NATs are just a bunch of whinging troublemakers whose strategy might be to piss the English off so far as to get the people to urge for Scotland to leave the Union. This one is going to get nasty.

I don’t really see it as a matter of such importance that all parties should back it regardless. There are other options, which while unlikely, do not necessitate no deal if the deal doesn’t have the confidence of Parliament. In all likelihood it will.

We move on.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t really see it as a matter of such importance that all parties should back it regardless. There are other options, which while unlikely, do not necessitate no deal if the deal doesn’t have the confidence of Parliament. In all likelihood it will.

We move on.

But the need to be logical. If a majority of the House agreed with them (albeit unlikely), then there would be No Deal, which nobody wants.

Basically, Lib-Dems, Labour and SNP nay-sayers are whingers for whom there is little respect.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But the need to be logical. If a majority of the House agreed with them (albeit unlikely), then there would be No Deal, which nobody wants.

However they could revisit the scenario if that looked likely, which we all accept it is not.

Basically, Lib-Dems, Labour and SNP nay-sayers are whingers for whom there is little respect.

I doubt you are their audience, Seph. They also need to put some space, politically, between themselves and the deal to seek a marginal advantage in future elections. Almost 16 million people voted against Brexit to fight over. For the slightly over 16 million who voted in favour they are unlikely to vote two of those three parties in any case.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We left the EU this year. Time to move on.

Wow! Nice to hear you say that, Andrew.

What amazes me is the contortions the cybernats are now making to justify the SNP voting against the deal. Not abstaining, voting against.

How can you spend months, years, warning against the dangers of No Deal then vote against a Deal? It's so opportunistic and cynical but nothing ever seems to stick to the SNP.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Wow! Nice to hear you say that, Andrew.

Not so sure the source is credible

Originally Posted by Damien

What amazes me is the contortions the cybernats are now making to justify the SNP voting against the deal. Not abstaining, voting against.

How can you spend months, years, warning against the dangers of No Deal then vote against a Deal? It's so opportunistic and cynical but nothing ever seems to stick to the SNP.

This is because Scottish nationalism has the intellectual rigour of a football chant.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Never had or needed one, I use some fanciful abstract idea, called “Travel Insurance”

I had/have both.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

This is because Scottish nationalism has the intellectual rigour of a football chant.

Northern Ireland parties feel the same way. One of the rare occasions NI is united.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55462155

Northern Ireland's political parties that take their seats at Westminster are set to vote against the UK-EU post-Brexit deal this week.

The Commons will be recalled on Wednesday to allow MPs to vote on the agreement reached on Christmas Eve.

The DUP, the Alliance Party and the SDLP have indicated that they will not support the plan.

An unintended result of Brexit maybe a United Ireland and Scotland going its own way. NI was only a matter of time, but that timing might have been accelerated.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Northern Ireland parties feel the same way. One of the rare occasions NI is united.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55462155


An unintended result of Brexit maybe a United Ireland and Scotland going its own way. NI was only a matter of time, but that timing might have been accelerated.

But for opposing reasons.

The DUP said it would vote against the deal "as a point of principle and not because we supported a no deal option".
"A free trade deal is better than no deal but for Northern Ireland this deal does not undo the detrimental aspects of the [Northern Ireland] Protocol," added the party.
...
John O'Dowd, Sinn Féin's chief whip at Stormont, said it was important the assembly was recalled to "reaffirm our opposition to Brexit and reiterate our call for the full implementation" of the withdrawal agreement and Northern Ireland Protocol.