Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 193

amateria · 10-04-2008, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Both are telling the truth IMHO. Phorm and VM have an exclusivity agreement in place in that VM will implement Phorm and has stopped evaluating competing technology. That exclusivity agreement gives VM the ability to opt out or not implement. Both can say what they are saying.

So the agreement is that VM might, or might not, one day agree some sort of commitment to the technology. And it won't look at any competing technologies for a while.

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By showing that this is a real risk to search engines it allows the search engines to look at managing this risk through methods like SSL.

Alexander Hanff[/QUOTE]

Yes, it would be the logical next step for search engines. But it would be a shame if everyone's effort (search engines, users, would-be internet parasites) had to be expended in such an escalating arms race: efforts to repel the parasites would be met with ever more ingenious ways to overcome the "immune system" of the productive parts of the internet. Which would in turn cause more investment in defences against the parasites.

From an economic perspective, it would be far more efficient for regulators to enforce the laws against the parasites - so search engines (and we) can put our energies into productive or enjoyable activities, instead of fighting the effects of illegal surveillance. And people working for the parasites would get proper jobs.

popper · 10-04-2008, 22:46

http://www.techradar.com/news/intern...orm-ceo-315326
Internet

EXCLUSIVE: TechRadar interviews Phorm CEO

Is Phorm really quite innocuous after all

5 hours ago | Reader comments (0)

Alexander , go and post your laws broken list there and have some fun.

none · 10-04-2008, 22:54

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popper · 10-04-2008, 23:06

nice none.

<--- do you think you can take the virgin media for sale and add something funny in the for sale bit

user data.
datastream.
user copyright. etc anything you like if its fun and related...

bigbadcol · 10-04-2008, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex @ Phorm

My apologies to bigbadcol, jca11 and ceedee - you're right I've got some things to learn about netiquette

Why am I not surprised.

After all a company who is pimping internet uses data. breaking all sorts of laws, and they have an employer who does not understand simple Neiquett.

Thanks for the laugh Alex.. Hope you can get a new job soon with your employment history.

I had this vision while at the brandy tonight....

The Scene Phorm has gone bankrupt. Alex at a job interview. Big internet company.. Office

New Company HR DROID: HELLO ALEX so You have come for a job Please tell
us why you left your last employer"

ALEX... I Worked for Phorm, they had this amazing system, targeting internet
users by there surfing history. It was anonimous and secure great
Phishing Filter as well

SOUND OF LAUGHTER

HR DROID: Great.... HAAAAAA. Security... HAAAAAA Thump crash

The chair falls to the ground and the droid gets up.

Sorry Alex, but I am so sorry .. HAAAA I cant help it, Phorm you say. I am so sorry we can not offer you a position, we have too much integrity to be associated with THAT company...

HR Droid leaves the room laughing.

END

popper · 10-04-2008, 23:22

NebuAd thinks its nearly ready to start up in the UK
(EU DC

) what were their old adware name again ...., need to find that reference...

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/186462/p...y-outcome.html
"...
However, while Phorm is still in the experimental stage, NebuAd will soon have contracts in place to monitor 10% of American internet browsers, claims the company's founder, Robert Dykes, speaking to the New York Times.

Unlike Phorm, which uses cookies to track users, NebuAd uses people's
IP addresses as a unique identifier.

The company has a technique to identify when a user's IP address has changed, but will not disclose any information on how it achieves this.

A UK NebuAd office opened this year and the firm is currently in talks with a number of ISPs, claims Tony Evans, the UK commercial director.

Evans claims the company is waiting to fully understand the privacy implications Phorm is encountering before making a move into the market
"

serial · 10-04-2008, 23:26

NebuAd were previously Gator Corp, responsible for that fine piece of software that we all came to love and cherish ;-)

amateria · 10-04-2008, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper

nice none.

<--- do you think you can take the virgin media for sale and add something funny in the for sale bit

user data.
datastream.
user copyright. etc anything you like if its fun and related...

your passwords
your bank account
photographs of your children

your customer's orders
your business plans
your trade secrets

none · 10-04-2008, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper

nice none.

<--- do you think you can take the virgin media for sale and add something funny in the for sale bit

user data.
datastream.
user copyright. etc anything you like if its fun and related...

I'll have a stab at that over the weekend :P

popper · 10-04-2008, 23:40

yeah Gator thats the one thanks, we need a new http://en.wikipedia.org for NebuAd filled with all the Phorm like interesting DPI interception information as there isnt one yet.

hmm how odd, no Gator or Gator Corp eather on http://en.wikipedia.org

how did they manage that?

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thanks None

serial · 11-04-2008, 00:00

The are now part of the Claria Corporation which has a wiki entry. Its this old trick where a company with a really bad reputation changes its name to hide its past. Now where have I also seen that lately

Bonglet · 11-04-2008, 00:30

lmao these whole advertising companys are no more than the old companys of days gone by that would hijack browsers, install rootkits, fill you computer with adds you didnt want to ever see and for the most part destroyed normal internet users surfing experience back in the day.

I guess leopards cant change there spots and now there trying to do it legally instead of the old illegal methods that everyone caught onto and blocked out, now that all these guys are back on the scene we deserve everyone to be well informed and protest and put off these companys from ever trying to find out our details, i know i couldnt trust an isp with links to these really really dubious companys, hence the pr, tricks and stealth campaigns going on atm.

popper · 11-04-2008, 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by serial

The are now part of the Claria Corporation which has a wiki entry. Its this old trick where a company with a really bad reputation changes its name to hide its past. Now where have I also seen that lately

well iv never edited a wiki before, but if you put gator in the search now, it seems to make it finally link to the 'Gator may refer to' page and from there Claria Corporation , i dont know if thats right, but at least you can find some information now.

is it werth looking for the NebuAd patents and related info ,much as Phorm, and linking this in, if they are intending to, or are already talking to the UK ISPs as implyed we might be wise to include them in our deliberations....

any wiki experts want to go and make the NebuAd links and info more accessable to the readers?

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its a shame (and against Neiquett) chris and TheRegister dont seem to get the real credit and linked for breaking this story fom other news outlets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...le-807818.html
"
Online tracking firm Phorm sees losses double

By Sarah Arnott
Friday, 11 April 2008

Phorm, the online advertising service accused of illegally tracking individuals' web-browsing histories in order to target marketing, announced annual losses of $32.8m (Ã‚Â£16.6m) yesterday.

The AIM-listed company recently signed partnerships with BT, Talk Talk and Virgin Media – which between them represent 70 per cent of internet service provision market.

A row blew up earlier this month when a think-tank branded the company's activities as intrusive, and in contravention of laws that require users' consent before web traffic data can be used...."

popper · 11-04-2008, 07:45

its a bit of a messy one using that thread software, but i think i covered the point as most people will understand it, what do you think alexander? did i forget anything!

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo..._and_more.html

Ravenheart · 11-04-2008, 07:52

An interesting page from 2005 with some of the names Gator Corp have used

HERE