15-08-2018, 20:02
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Re: 2018 price rises
@tvtimes is correct, Sky cannot do it.
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15-08-2018, 20:23
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas
Huh...I never knew.
Must be rather coincidental that they keep offering cut price programing that they own the rights to though that may also be as my husband has been a customer for like 13 years now.
Thanks for the info - certainly explains how VM break even.
If Sky wanted to be cruel I suppose that they could just refuse to sell the rights of their network? They would lose the money they earn from VM though.
(Are you sure that they are prevented from doing so when it is not a case of hardware though? To provide the service for phone and broadband, Sky and others have to use BT's firm / hardware. It is not the same for Virgin as Sky has no monopoly at all).
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Sky is considered to have a monopoly on sports rights and is subject to regs by Ofcom because of it. It's why when the Sky basics dispute happened over 10 years ago they pulled all their channels apart from sports and movies.
Don't quote me on it, but even though Sky is definitely forced to provide sports at a certain price point, I don't think there's anything stopping them beating VM prices of their own sports portfolio.
I'm not sure if they're regulated on movies anymore or not because there are other options like Netflix which didn't exist when the dispute happened.
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15-08-2018, 21:31
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Re: 2018 price rises
Ah, thanks. This is news to me and I don't know how I missed it seeing as it's 3 years old nearly! My bad.
It does state Ofcom will closely monitor and quickly step back in though if Sky try anything funny. I think that's quite an important statement.
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15-08-2018, 23:27
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Re: 2018 price rises
Yeah and a whole there does need to be a base level of regulation but given that Sky did all the ground work in establishing the infrastructure to create their sports and movie empire no way should they be obligated to provide it to other media platforms IMO.
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15-08-2018, 23:33
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas
Yeah and a whole there does need to be a base level of regulation but given that Sky did all the ground work in establishing the infrastructure to create their sports and movie empire no way should they be obligated to provide it to other media platforms IMO.
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I don't think Ofcom or many millions of customers who don't want Sky would agree with that. I can see where you're coming from, I just think it will be a abuse of power.
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16-08-2018, 10:22
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas
Yeah and a whole there does need to be a base level of regulation but given that Sky did all the ground work in establishing the infrastructure to create their sports and movie empire no way should they be obligated to provide it to other media platforms IMO.
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Originally Posted by tvtimes
I don't think Ofcom or many millions of customers who don't want Sky would agree with that. I can see where you're coming from, I just think it will be a abuse of power.
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I'd understand the argument if it was possible for other providers to show the same content via their own channels, and so compete directly with what Sky Sports or Sky Cinema show.
But they can't, so there is a monopoly of content delivery (and not delivery platform) that has to be managed appropriately.
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16-08-2018, 10:41
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
I'd understand the argument if it was possible for other providers to show the same content via their own channels, and so compete directly with what Sky Sports or Sky Cinema show.
But they can't, so there is a monopoly of content delivery (and not delivery platform) that has to be managed appropriately.
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That's exactly how I see it, Ben, so I was very surprised to learn the regulations against Sky have ended, and purely because there are more providers these days.
Even with more providers, what is to stop Sky overcharging competitors to over-inflate their prices to make Sky look more attractive?
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16-08-2018, 10:46
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by tvtimes
That's exactly how I see it, Ben, so I was very surprised to learn the regulations against Sky have ended, and purely because there are more providers these days.
Even with more providers, what is to stop Sky overcharging competitors to over-inflate their prices to make Sky look more attractive?
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Nothing..
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16-08-2018, 11:48
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by tvtimes
Even with more providers, what is to stop Sky overcharging competitors to over-inflate their prices to make Sky look more attractive?
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Because...
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Should evidence emerge of practices which we consider to be prejudicial to fair and effective competition, we will quickly reassess the need for regulation. In particular, Ofcom wants to be sure that consumers continue to have access to, and a choice of, packages and services containing Sky Sports 1 and 2.
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(From the Ofcom link above)
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16-08-2018, 14:46
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
Because...
(From the Ofcom link above)
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Then why not just leave the regulation in place in the first place?
I don't understand Ofcom sometimes.
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16-08-2018, 14:50
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by tvtimes
Then why not just leave the regulation in place in the first place?
I don't understand Ofcom sometimes.
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Well a good rule they came up with is that providers have to make Caller Display free from October, That doesn't stop them putting up their prices elsewhere to compensate though ! Like most regulators toothless....
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16-08-2018, 14:52
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Re: 2018 price rises
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Originally Posted by tvtimes
Ah, thanks. This is news to me and I don't know how I missed it seeing as it's 3 years old nearly! My bad.
It does state Ofcom will closely monitor and quickly step back in though if Sky try anything funny. I think that's quite an important statement.
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I must admit I was unaware of any change.
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16-08-2018, 15:35
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Re: 2018 price rises
Received the email this morning about the price going up...again.
It's a shame, because the only real option other than VM is a Fibre based product, which means paying for the fibre and the phone line which will never be used.
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16-08-2018, 15:37
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Re: 2018 price rises
Yes the huge ripoff with VM is the line rental, as most people barely use the home phone but have to take it to get the bundle price
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