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Old 05-02-2019, 20:51   #7351
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Re: Brexit

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How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?
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Why don't they just get a ferry straight to the UK.
You would be best posing that question to Hugh and not me as he constructed the scenario. Why do you think they might follow the route Hugh suggested?

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Was there a time when either the ROI or NI weren't in the EU and the other was?
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Old 05-02-2019, 23:15   #7352
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Re: Brexit

Everyone calm down and stop taking pot-shots at each other.

This is closed for a bit to let everyone take a time out. Remember you're talking to actual people who you might well get on with if it wasn't for the anonymising nature of the internet.



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Old 05-02-2019, 23:31   #7353
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Re: Brexit

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How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?
Because it’s very easily to put in hard checkpoints at Airports and ferry terminals. As they do now

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A migrant from the EU can enter the island of Ireland legally anywhere in the Republic. They can walk across the non-exitant border into the occupied six counties.

Presumably we don’t intend to put more stingent controls on travel from Northern Ireland to Great Britain?
That may be a genuine element for negotiation. If the N.I. Assembly agreed we they could say freedom of movement applies to eu and N.I. But not GB. Unless DUP block, which is fine.
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Old 05-02-2019, 23:46   #7354
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If the N.I. Assembly agreed we they could say freedom of movement applies to eu and N.I. But not GB. Unless DUP block, which is fine.
Slight flaw in the plan. There is no NI Assembly to agree anything.
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Old 06-02-2019, 00:44   #7355
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Re: Brexit

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Because it’s very easily to put in hard checkpoints at Airports and ferry terminals. As they do now

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That may be a genuine element for negotiation. If the N.I. Assembly agreed we they could say freedom of movement applies to eu and N.I. But not GB. Unless DUP block, which is fine.
Donaghadee and Portpatrick are the same distance apart as Dover and Calais - they could try the same methods as they do now in the Channel.
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Re: Brexit

Footage finds Corbyn knocking the EU https://www.theredroar.com/2019/02/e...rthed-footage/
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The advocates for the Hard Brexit have already conceded that the car industry will need to be "run down"



The devastating future for Welsh manufacturing predicted by a Brexit economist - and why he said it was a good thing
It's the will of the people, they won't mind having their lives wrecked as long as they're free, that said Minford has made a career out of being wrong so let's hope his run continues a while longer
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:05   #7358
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Re: Brexit

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Because it’s very easily to put in hard checkpoints at Airports and ferry terminals. As they do now

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That may be a genuine element for negotiation. If the N.I. Assembly agreed we they could say freedom of movement applies to eu and N.I. But not GB. Unless DUP block, which is fine.
Unless I have misunderstood are we saying that the border would be between the island of Ireland and the mainland? I think this was originally what the EU suggested but the DUP would lose their minds over it, makes it seem like Great Britain is a different country, so that's why the backstop applies to all the U.K?
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Re: Brexit

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Unless I have misunderstood are we saying that the border would be between the island of Ireland and the mainland? I think this was originally what the EU suggested but the DUP would lose their minds over it, makes it seem like Great Britain is a different country, so that's why the backstop applies to all the U.K?
That's how I understand it too.

There are rumours going round that May is to call a general election soon. It's crossed my mind that she might think that a hard border is the only way forward to resolve the situation.

Obviously, the DUP would not be happy about this and would withdraw their support for the Government. Without their support she would lose her working majority and, particularly as her authority keeps being questioned, she possibly thinks that calling a GE will either end up with her receiving a larger majority to govern or she will lose and let someone else deal eith this.

I know that she said she wouldn't take the Tories into the next GE, but she has form for saying one thing and doing the opposite and may think that it's now got to the point of 'do or die'.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:37   #7360
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That's how I understand it too.

There are rumours going round that May is to call a general election soon. It's crossed my mind that she might think that a hard border is the only way forward to resolve the situation.

Obviously, the DUP would not be happy about this and would withdraw their support for the Government. Without their support she would lose her working majority and, particularly as her authority keeps being questioned, she possibly thinks that calling a GE will either end up with her receiving a larger majority to govern or she will lose and let someone else deal eith this.

I know that she said she wouldn't take the Tories into the next GE, but she has form for saying one thing and doing the opposite and may think that it's now got to the point of 'do or die'.
It would also force the Tories to choose a new leader, if her previous claims of not continuing as leader into the next GE are to be believed? Yet there seems to be no appetite within the Tory party for anyone else to lead, an odd conundrum.
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Unless I have misunderstood are we saying that the border would be between the island of Ireland and the mainland? I think this was originally what the EU suggested but the DUP would lose their minds over it, makes it seem like Great Britain is a different country, so that's why the backstop applies to all the U.K?
Extending the backstop to all of the UK was an EU concession to help May sell her deal to the DUP.
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Old 06-02-2019, 14:09   #7362
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Re: Brexit

"Wonders what What a Special place in hell looks like for Brexiteers" - Donald Tusk.

What an absolute disgusting prick, up yours Mr Tusk and take your cancerous and corrupted empire with you, clown. - my vote to leave the corrupted EU, just got extra solidified!!!
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Re: Brexit

He did say those who promoted Brexit without a plan. Not Brexiters generally.

Although I suspect he is smart enough to know how it would be spun and decided he wanted that reaction.

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He did say those who promoted Brexit without a plan. Not Brexiters generally.

Although I suspect he is smart enough to know how it would be spun and decided he wanted that reaction.
Brexiteers have not had a chance to promote a plan with a Remain led Government/PM and Civil servants, so he was talking absolute bollocks as usual.

He is a corrupted fool and total prick. Totally glad I crossed my box to leave that absolutely disgusting rotting empire AKA the EU!!!
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"Wonders what What a Special place in hell looks like for Brexiteers" - Donald Tusk.

What an absolute disgusting prick, up yours Mr Tusk and take your cancerous and corrupted empire with you, clown. - my vote to leave the corrupted EU, just got extra solidified!!!
He didn't actually say that, that quote is probably a fake news site stirring things up. I would have agreed you if he had said that.
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