18-02-2019, 13:53
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
Advertisers don't want to spend more so if the BBC took ads it just spreads the ad money even thinner. So programme makers would need to be even more sure of success (ad money) before they could make programmes.
The license fee covers more than just the TV channels though, all those radio stations, how do you keep ad's off FM?
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I don't see any shortage of advertisers, tweetie.
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Originally Posted by Chris
1 and 2 are far too distinct to merge effectively. They could certainly afford to lose 1-Extra, run commercials on 1 and 6, bid for 4 to become some kind of state-funded special case, and cross-subsidise 2 with revenue from its commericalised TV operations, effectively using radio 2 commercial space as advertising for BBC TV. They should sell 3 to classic FM who in my humble opinion do a better, more accessible job of it anyway.
Any local stations that want to stay open would have to go commercial. In reality most of them would close. A few such as Radio Merseyside have a genuine following and would probably survive.
The BBC’s TV operations are based on a mass audience strategy and there’s no way they’re ever going behind a paywall. Absent a licence fee, they’ll go free-to-air with advertising, and will probably merge Four back into BBC2, which did a perfectly good job of that sort of arts output before Four was launched anyway.
I don’t think public funding of TV is ever going to go away completely. The day may well come when the TV licence is terminated, but it will be replaced by something else which, I believe, is likely to fund a central pot which all broadcasters could bid for a slice of in order to fund public service programming.
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I think the combination of subscriptions with advertising-free options available through streaming is the way ahead, and with its newly found freedoms, there would be more money to be made by the BBC than it currently gets from the licence fee.
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Originally Posted by Chris
The iPlayer is part of the BBC’s chartered public service broadcasting operations so they can’t charge for it, support it with adverts, or even give the impression that they’re doing so.
The BBC took a policy decision some years ago to stop using premium rate numbers wherever possible and these days you almost always find them using geographic rate 03 numbers or free 0800 numbers.
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Not now, they can't, but new legislation will fix that.
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18-02-2019, 14:21
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I don't see any shortage of advertisers, tweetie.
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I think the combination of subscriptions with advertising-free options available through streaming is the way ahead, and with its newly found freedoms, there would be more money to be made by the BBC than it currently gets from the licence fee.
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Not now, they can't, but new legislation will fix that.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...tv-advertising
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ITV’s profits fell sharply last year as the Broadchurch to Love Island broadcaster reported the steepest fall in TV advertising in almost a decade.
ITV’s pretax profits fell more than 10% to £500m last year as TV advertising revenue, which accounts for about half of its revenues, fell 5% to £1.6bn. In 2009, ITV’s TV ad revenues fell 9.4% amid the advertising recession.
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http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news...ne-months.aspx
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LONDON (Alliance News) - ITV PLC on Wednesday said its revenue grew in the first nine months of 2018, though it expects revenue from advertising to fall in the final quarter due to an uncertain economic environment.
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https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-s...10p/share-news
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(Sharecast News) - A further study has warned that the decline of traditional TV viewing could accelerate to the point where UK broadcasters lose most of their advertising revenues.
According to a new study from Ebiquity, the viewing trend away from traditional TV towards online platforms such as Netflix and Amazon Prime that has already seen by the 16 to 34 age group, will spread out to other demographics.
This could result in advertisers choosing not to spend their money on TV campaigns as they will no longer be as cost-effective. Broadcasters, such as ITV and Channel 4, need the campaigns to stay afloat and the study revealed that they face a "tipping point" in the next five years.
By 2022, Ebiquity foresaw a worst-case scenario where there will be 45% fewer ads viewed by 16-34 year-olds, a 30% fall among the 'housewives and kids' demographic group and a 15% decline among adults in the prime ABC1 demographic.
This tipping point could be avoided, the report said, as broadcasters could still evolve with the new trends and create counter-strategies.
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18-02-2019, 15:48
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Re: Funding of the BBC
On the rather rare occasion I pop the TV on, I probably spend 10 minutes flicking from channel to channel looking for something to watch then turn it off . . . it's all adverts . . on over 50 channels . . even the BBC fill spaces up with endless trailers for up coming programs and the like.
I hate TV with a passion, have done for years, too many channels, not enough decent content (unless you pay for it) . . . bugger that for a game of entertainment
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18-02-2019, 15:54
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by Carth
On the rather rare occasion I pop the TV on, I probably spend 10 minutes flicking from channel to channel looking for something to watch then turn it off . . . it's all adverts . . on over 50 channels . . even the BBC fill spaces up with endless trailers for up coming programs and the like.
I hate TV with a passion, have done for years, too many channels, not enough decent content (unless you pay for it) . . . bugger that for a game of entertainment
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Go KODI! What you want when you want.
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18-02-2019, 16:20
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Go KODI! What you want when you want.
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erm . . forgot to mention that even if I do find something interesting to watch, it usually clashes with 'her indoors' wanting to watch her favourite soaps, celebrity quizzes, cookery shows (lord knows why 'cos she can't cook), glitzy tarted up talent shows, and any other tat that is disguised as entertainment
Youtube gets some hammer from me . . no adverts either
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18-02-2019, 16:49
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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erm . . forgot to mention that even if I do find something interesting to watch, it usually clashes with 'her indoors' wanting to watch her favourite soaps, celebrity quizzes, cookery shows (lord knows why 'cos she can't cook), glitzy tarted up talent shows, and any other tat that is disguised as entertainment
Youtube gets some hammer from me . . no adverts either
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But you can hammer KODI just as much as YouTube, let "er indoors" watch what she wants.
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18-02-2019, 19:17
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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He's already been told this, but carries on regardless.
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18-02-2019, 19:23
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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He's already been told this, but carries on regardless.
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He carries on with his original forecast which I agree with. That's another thread though.
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18-02-2019, 19:57
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Re: Funding of the BBC
Some years ago product placement was allowed on TV,why can't the BBC take advantage of this and partly fund themselves with that revenue? It's not as if you don't already see products being advertised on many of their programs already,is it?,
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19-02-2019, 18:54
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by Hugh
https://www.theguardian.com/business...tv-advertising
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ITV’s profits fell sharply last year as the Broadchurch to Love Island broadcaster reported the steepest fall in TV advertising in almost a decade.
ITV’s pretax profits fell more than 10% to £500m last year as TV advertising revenue, which accounts for about half of its revenues, fell 5% to £1.6bn. In 2009, ITV’s TV ad revenues fell 9.4% amid the advertising recession.
http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news...ne-months.aspx
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LONDON (Alliance News) - ITV PLC on Wednesday said its revenue grew in the first nine months of 2018, though it expects revenue from advertising to fall in the final quarter due to an uncertain economic environment.
https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-s...10p/share-news
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(Sharecast News) - A further study has warned that the decline of traditional TV viewing could accelerate to the point where UK broadcasters lose most of their advertising revenues.
According to a new study from Ebiquity, the viewing trend away from traditional TV towards online platforms such as Netflix and Amazon Prime that has already seen by the 16 to 34 age group, will spread out to other demographics.
This could result in advertisers choosing not to spend their money on TV campaigns as they will no longer be as cost-effective. Broadcasters, such as ITV and Channel 4, need the campaigns to stay afloat and the study revealed that they face a "tipping point" in the next five years.
By 2022, Ebiquity foresaw a worst-case scenario where there will be 45% fewer ads viewed by 16-34 year-olds, a 30% fall among the 'housewives and kids' demographic group and a 15% decline among adults in the prime ABC1 demographic.
This tipping point could be avoided, the report said, as broadcasters could still evolve with the new trends and create counter-strategies.
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Well, I agree with most of that. But there is no shortage of advertisers. The issue really is the reduction of audience share of our conventional channels as OTT viewing takes over, which is what I've been saying all along. When the level is reached that channels cannot make sufficient income out of them, the linear channels will collapse in favour of VOD alternatives. Many of those will probably have subscription free (or reduced) advertisement-ridden alternatives. That's where the advertisers' money will be channelled and it will be better spent there.
As for whether the conventional channels will come up with new strategies to stay alive, personally I doubt that.
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01-09-2020, 16:53
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Re: Funding of the BBC
The licence fee is indeed doomed. From the Daily Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...unding-battle/
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The new BBC director-general will be told to come up with a replacement for the licence fee after decriminalisation of non-payment was described as a “done deal”.
Tim Davie faces a three-pronged attack on the licence fee from the government when he takes up his job this week, senior sources said.
Ministers are expected to announce within weeks that people who fail to pay the licence fee will face civil penalties rather than criminal prosecution from 2022.
There are also moves to “level the playing field” by awarding broadcasting licences to commercial rivals. The media regulator Ofcom has already granted a licence to a new channel named GB News promising coverage “distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents”.
Meanwhile Mr Davie will be challenged to replace the licence fee altogether with a new funding model or face a battle when the BBC charter is renewed in 2027, Whitehall sources said.
One senior Whitehall source said: “The decriminalisation of the licence fee is a done deal. It will be done sooner rather than later.
“But it may be the least of the BBC’s worries. There is a real interest in levelling the playing field with more competition. Ofcom has already given a broadcasting licence to a proposed new channel, GB News and that may be a sign of things to come.”
One minister said: “There is real optimism that the BBC will come up with a palatable alternative to the licence fee themselves.
“Tim Davie seems to be open to the idea of a subscription model and his background would certainly suggest that"
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01-09-2020, 17:01
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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The licence fee is indeed doomed. From the Daily Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...unding-battle/
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The new BBC director-general will be told to come up with a replacement for the licence fee after decriminalisation of non-payment was described as a “done deal”.
Tim Davie faces a three-pronged attack on the licence fee from the government when he takes up his job this week, senior sources said.
Ministers are expected to announce within weeks that people who fail to pay the licence fee will face civil penalties rather than criminal prosecution from 2022.
There are also moves to “level the playing field” by awarding broadcasting licences to commercial rivals. The media regulator Ofcom has already granted a licence to a new channel named GB News promising coverage “distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents”.
Meanwhile Mr Davie will be challenged to replace the licence fee altogether with a new funding model or face a battle when the BBC charter is renewed in 2027, Whitehall sources said.
One senior Whitehall source said: “The decriminalisation of the licence fee is a done deal. It will be done sooner rather than later.
“But it may be the least of the BBC’s worries. There is a real interest in levelling the playing field with more competition. Ofcom has already given a broadcasting licence to a proposed new channel, GB News and that may be a sign of things to come.”
One minister said: “There is real optimism that the BBC will come up with a palatable alternative to the licence fee themselves.
“Tim Davie seems to be open to the idea of a subscription model and his background would certainly suggest that"
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A paywalled site reporting not paying for a tv license
Personally i don't want to fund the BBc,if i'm funding a political organization i wan't it to be one i choose.
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01-09-2020, 17:13
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#208
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Re: Funding of the BBC
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
The licence fee is indeed doomed. From the Daily Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...unding-battle/
[EXTRACT]
The new BBC director-general will be told to come up with a replacement for the licence fee after decriminalisation of non-payment was described as a “done deal”.
Tim Davie faces a three-pronged attack on the licence fee from the government when he takes up his job this week, senior sources said.
Ministers are expected to announce within weeks that people who fail to pay the licence fee will face civil penalties rather than criminal prosecution from 2022.
There are also moves to “level the playing field” by awarding broadcasting licences to commercial rivals. The media regulator Ofcom has already granted a licence to a new channel named GB News promising coverage “distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents”.
Meanwhile Mr Davie will be challenged to replace the licence fee altogether with a new funding model or face a battle when the BBC charter is renewed in 2027, Whitehall sources said.
One senior Whitehall source said: “The decriminalisation of the licence fee is a done deal. It will be done sooner rather than later.
“But it may be the least of the BBC’s worries. There is a real interest in levelling the playing field with more competition. Ofcom has already given a broadcasting licence to a proposed new channel, GB News and that may be a sign of things to come.”
One minister said: “There is real optimism that the BBC will come up with a palatable alternative to the licence fee themselves.
“Tim Davie seems to be open to the idea of a subscription model and his background would certainly suggest that"
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The license fee has been an outdated mode of funding the BBC for many years now and should of went long ago. Sadly it won't be any time soon.
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01-09-2020, 17:15
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Re: Funding of the BBC
Nice one, OB and Papa.
iPlayer sits ready as a vehicle that suits subscription and a News Channel can be an add-on fee.
The concept of the BBC from early days is no longer applicable.
Mind you, the woke left will find an outlet and if that's broadcast by another subscription model company, political popularity will be easily measured!
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01-09-2020, 17:35
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Re: Funding of the BBC
You know decriminalisation isn’t as simple as it seems - the burden of proof is lower in a civil court, which actually makes it easier to go after non-payers, even if it carries the risk of increasing non-payment in the first place.
No matter what the BBC proposes ahead of charter renewal it simply isn’t going to disappear behind a paywall. It is a mass-audience broadcaster like ITV, which as everyone knows, does not charge a subscription. Subscriptions are fine for niche audience products but too many people simply aren’t prepared to pay for their TV. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and the BBC is not going to volunteer to relinquish its public funding. The licence may no longer be the means by which the BBC proposes to collect that funding, but whatever they come up with is going to be a million miles away from an encrypted, ITV Digital style service.
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