Processed meats do cause cancer
27-10-2015, 08:53
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
Or.....
Giving people information so they can make informed decisions.
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27-10-2015, 09:12
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
Maybe they think that if they scare enough people into thinking that after all these years the highly controversial bacon that upsets so many people actually can kill you. then we'll all stop eating it.
and then we're happy. they're happy. and the people who want to take over the world can cross it off their 'To Do' list.
or maybe we'll eat bacon more and more and have bacon parties!
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27-10-2015, 09:21
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
well based on this information it looks like lorry drivers and builders are a dying breed ,and lets not even think of devastating effect on taxi drivers .
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27-10-2015, 09:27
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I reckon those people can make a "No win no fee" claim.
these food people should have known about this a long time ago. they haven't suddenly gone to work and said I'm bored. I'll put some of my bacon into a test tube! and then called all the other "experts" and said "You'll never guess what I found out about my bacon!"
and then they all agreed with him.
what have they been doing all these years while they've been waiting for him to get more bored than usual?
they should have put that bacon in a test tube years ago!
that's why I don't believe it.
it's just scaremongering again.
hoping that we stop eating bacon to please the non bacon eaters.
and the usual look busy or you're out of a job.
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27-10-2015, 10:24
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
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Average chance of getting colorectal cancer is 5%, and most people who get it are over 50.
If you eat excessive amounts of processed meats, the risk increases by 18% (of 5%), which means the risk is approx. 6% - not a huge increase in the risk factor....
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This.
I'm pretty disappointed to see the WHO going all Daily Mail with their Could Cause Cancer statistics.
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27-10-2015, 10:31
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
It's just this ridiculous shock horror "discovery" that turns out to be a possible minute change of risk that just makes me very dismissive of ANY of these results and organisations.
Especially when the next result is the exact opposite of the previous. Just eat a healthy balanced diet with not too many calories and junk and tell the experts to get lost.
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27-10-2015, 10:46
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
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This.
I'm pretty disappointed to see the WHO going all Daily Mail with their Could Cause Cancer statistics.
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The WHO didn't, the newspapers interpretation their decision to upgrade processed meat to category 1 did.
The WHO have a traditionally dry and boring press release: http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/p...fs/pr240_E.pdf
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27-10-2015, 10:57
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
It's just this ridiculous shock horror "discovery" that turns out to be a possible minute change of risk that just makes me very dismissive of ANY of these results and organisations.
Especially when the next result is the exact opposite of the previous. Just eat a healthy balanced diet with not too many calories and junk and tell the experts to get lost.
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Not to mention the fact that these sorts of studies are often conducted in isolation and rarely consider the knock-on effect of cutting out certain foods, and whether that effect might be more damaging than the risk they are trying to mitigate.
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27-10-2015, 11:10
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
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Not to mention the fact that these sorts of studies are often conducted in isolation and rarely consider the knock-on effect of cutting out certain foods, and whether that effect might be more damaging than the risk they are trying to mitigate.
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This wasn't one study, it's a combination of several studies over many years which have in turn been analysed by the WHO over several years. They are aware of the problems with correlation being confused with causation. Look at red meat which most studies suggest has have a link with cancer but the WHO are still wary of classing it was a carcinogen. We're not dealing with a crackpot organisation here or a knee-jerk reaction to one study.
I ask again that if now the WHO are a discredited organisation who we can't take seriously then what else is left?
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
It's just this ridiculous shock horror "discovery" that turns out to be a possible minute change of risk that just makes me very dismissive of ANY of these results and organisations.
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It's not a 'discovery'. This isn't telling us anything that new. Also the main detail from the report isn't the minor change in risk but the fact that risk is now considered proven thereby classing processed meat as a carcinogen. The list is a ranking of how carcinogenic is but simply if it is carcinogenic at all.
The end result is people can more more informed decisions about their diet. Especially those at high risk of the mentioned cancers.
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28-10-2015, 02:42
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Personally the credibility of the world health organisation has been iffy since they decided electronic cigarettes were more dangerous then normal cigarettes a claim that has been thoroughly junked. They are little more then a mouthpiece for whoever pays them enough these days and anyone putting too much faith in them is going to live a life scared and very bland food wise. My grandfather who eats a bacon or sausage sandwich every morning and has done since he was a child immediately put the pan on after hearing this and had both in one sandwich there's no stopping his reckless abandonment even at 94.
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28-10-2015, 10:15
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
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Personally the credibility of the world health organisation has been iffy since they decided electronic cigarettes were more dangerous then normal cigarettes a claim that has been thoroughly junked.
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I can't find that anywhere. All I can find is a report where they cautioned against calling them 'safe' until more research is done and to avoid them being used indoors and for children.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalis...anisation.html
They seem simply to be saying that they don't know about the health effects and people should await further evidence.
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They are little more then a mouthpiece for whoever pays them enough these days and anyone putting too much faith in them is going to live a life scared and very bland food wise.
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They're largely funded by Governments with some money coming from NGOs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...d_partnerships
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My grandfather who eats a bacon or sausage sandwich every morning and has done since he was a child immediately put the pan on after hearing this and had both in one sandwich there's no stopping his reckless abandonment even at 94.
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And people who have smoked several packs a day have lived to over 100 whereas some people who never touched a cigarette in their life have died of lung cancer at an early age.
The risk of any one person contracting cancer because of processed meat is very low when you look at the statistics. All the WHO are saying is that there is a risk, albeit minor. This only becomes clear with a larger set of people.
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28-10-2015, 19:26
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
Wonder if there is a difference between the nasty cheap water injected, smoke flavoured stuff and a decent dry cured, properly cold smoked joint, carved into nice thick slices.
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28-10-2015, 20:38
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
Lidls are selling Biltong for 99p/pack. Just ate a pack. Very tasty
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Wonder if there is a difference between the nasty cheap water injected, smoke flavoured stuff and a decent dry cured, properly cold smoked joint, carved into nice thick slices.
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I suspect that there is.
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28-10-2015, 21:23
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer
Carcinogenic to humans - those that definitely cause cancer.
1. Tobacco smoking
2. Sunlamps and sunbeds
3. Aluminium production
4. Arsenic in drinking water
5. Auramine production
6. Boot and shoe manufacture and repair
7. Chimney sweeping
8. Coal gasification
9. Coal tar distillation
10. Coke (fuel) production
11. Furniture and cabinet making
12. Haematite mining (underground) with exposure to radon
13. Secondhand smoke
14. Iron and steel founding
15. Isopropanol manufacture (strong-acid process)
16. Magenta dye manufacturing
17. Occupational exposure as a painter
18. Paving and roofing with coal-tar pitch
19. Rubber industry
20. Occupational exposure of strong inorganic acid mists containing sulphuric acid
21. Naturally occurring mixtures of aflatoxins (produced by funghi)
22. Alcoholic beverages
23. Areca nut - often chewed with betel leaf
24. Betel quid without tobacco
25. Betel quid with tobacco
26. Coal tar pitches
27. Coal tars
28. Indoor emissions from household combustion of coal
29. Diesel exhaust
30. Mineral oils, untreated and mildly treated
31. Phenacetin, a pain and fever reducing drug
32. Plants containing aristolochic acid (used in Chinese herbal medicine)
33. Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) - widely used in electrical equipment in the past, banned in many countries in the 1970s
34. Chinese-style salted fish
35. Shale oils
36. Soots
37. Smokeless tobacco products
38. Wood dust
39. Processed meat
40. Acetaldehyde
41. 4-Aminobiphenyl
42. Aristolochic acids and plants containing them
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44. Arsenic and arsenic compounds
45. Azathioprine
46. Benzene
47. Benzidine
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54. 1,4-Butanediol dimethanesulfonate (Busulphan, Myleran)
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58. Chromium(VI) compounds
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70. Erionite
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80. Human papillomavirus type 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 and 66
81. Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type-I
82. Melphalan
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84. 4,4'-methylene-bis(2-chloroaniline) (MOCA)
85. MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents
86. Mustard gas (sulphur mustard)
87. 2-Naphthylamine
88. Neutron radiation
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100. Radium-224 and its decay products
101. Radium-226 and its decay products
102. Radium-228 and its decay products
103. Radon-222 and its decay products
104. Schistosoma haematobium (infection with)
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28-10-2015, 21:26
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Re: Processed meats do cause cancer
Whereas, for a list of all those things that Could Cause Cancer, see the Daily Mail.
http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/
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