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Old 17-10-2019, 17:17   #1366
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Interesting take on this from NF
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Old 17-10-2019, 17:20   #1367
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Interesting take on this from NF
Not sure where he coming from with that.

The Benn Act is UK act, the EU has no obligation whatsoever to entertain it.
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Old 17-10-2019, 17:59   #1368
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It gets better

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

Looks like Boris has the EU onside.
Better for who, struggle to see them being "onside" if it were genuinely in our interests
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Old 17-10-2019, 18:09   #1369
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NEW: Hearing from sources second referendum amendment on Saturday is now unlikely. Focus on defeating Johnson deal > in reality need Labour backing to get it passed and Corbyn ain’t there
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Old 17-10-2019, 18:13   #1370
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Better for who, struggle to see them being "onside" if it were genuinely in our interests
It’s in their interests. No matter what the Remainers and our Remain Parliament would like, Brexit will happen, eventually. So why prolong the agony.

Lance the boil and move forward.

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Would be pant wettingly hilarious, if they voted against the deal and the EU kept firm on no extension. They would have to vote for it or no deal.

No doubt this is what Boris will be reinforcing with EU27. Hold firm, the deal will have to be passed and we can all move on.

Negotiations on the new trade deal begin on Nov 1st.
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Old 17-10-2019, 18:42   #1371
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Itís in their interests. No matter what the Remainers and our Remain Parliament would like, Brexit will happen, eventually. So why prolong the agony.

Lance the boil and move forward.

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Would be pant wettingly hilarious, if they voted against the deal and the EU kept firm on no extension. They would have to vote for it or no deal.

No doubt this is what Boris will be reinforcing with EU27. Hold firm, the deal will have to be passed and we can all move on.

Negotiations on the new trade deal begin on Nov 1st.
Isn't there a rule against voting for the same deal more than once ? and if so
saturday is the last chance saloon.
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Old 17-10-2019, 18:45   #1372
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

May's deal was presented 3 times, but Boris could just as easily not present it again and no deal is the result in no extension granted.
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Old 17-10-2019, 18:53   #1373
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May's deal was presented 3 times, but Boris could just as easily not present it again and no deal is the result in no extension granted.
Yes but didn't berclod drag up some guff from the stone age that prohibited it being presented more than once?
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Old 17-10-2019, 19:18   #1374
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Yes but didn't berclod drag up some guff from the stone age that prohibited it being presented more than once?
Wasn@t it to stop it being presented for the 4th time?
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Wasn@t it to stop it being presented for the 4th time?
Indeed it was but i thought the ruling was that no bill if defeated can be presented in the same form in future sittings of the house.
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Wasn@t it to stop it being presented for the 4th time?
We are in a new session. That rule wouldn't apply.

Edit: as papa said
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Anyone else think Nige is sulking somewhat today? He's now moaning that the EU is not permitting an extension*.
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We are in a new session. That rule wouldn't apply.

Edit: as papa said
So, in one session May peresented an agreement to be passed 3 times.
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So, in one session May peresented an agreement to be passed 3 times.
Quoting from the guide to parliamentary procedure, Erskine May, Bercow said by convention, the question “may not be brought forward again during the same session” and that it was a “strong and longstanding convention” dating back to 1604.
He said the convention had been confirmed again many times, including in 1864, 1870, 1882, 1891 and 1912. “Indeed, Erskine May makes reference to no fewer than 12 such rulings up to the year 1920,” he said.

“One of the reasons the rule has lasted so long is that it is a necessary rule to ensure the sensible use of the house’s time and the proper respect for the decisions it takes.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-on-same-deal
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So, in one session May peresented an agreement to be passed 3 times.
That relied on a liberal interpretation of the rules. Johnson could present the same deal (he won't) without issue.
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