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tweetiepooh · 06-09-2019, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson to have dinner with her Majesty, the Queen tonight at Balmoral.

To be a fly on the wall during this event.... possible discussions...

1) Ask Queen to dissolve Parliament for potential election, ignore Common law, she cannot be challenged if she did.

2) Ask Queen to deny Royal Assent to Remainer Anti-No deal Bill, expected to clear all stages tonight.

3) Inform her of his intentions to resign at some later date. Given his lack of government power in Parliament.

Or maybe he'll ask her advice. She's seen all sorts of governments, politicians and crisis. She's also had a very public family to keep in order, making different gaffes and foot in mouth moments.

**Chris** · 06-09-2019, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson to have dinner with her Majesty, the Queen tonight at Balmoral.

To be a fly on the wall during this event.... possible discussions...

1) Ask Queen to dissolve Parliament for potential election, ignore Common law, she cannot be challenged if she did.

2) Ask Queen to deny Royal Assent to Remainer Anti-No deal Bill, expected to clear all stages tonight.

3) Inform her of his intentions to resign at some later date. Given his lack of government power in Parliament.

1. Constitutional crisis ... no chance.
2. Constitutional crisis ... as above.
3. Unlikely, and pointless as it still doesn’t precipitate an election.

Rather than asking HM to deny assent (which she can’t do - it’s assent, not consent) he could fail to present the bill to her before Monday. It would fail due to prorogation in that case.

The Queen will doubtless have advice for him. She’s seen all this before. An account of that meeting would be worth all the gold in the world but we will never know.

I think at this stage the most likely outcome on Monday is that the Opposition will be told the Benn Bill will go to the palace for assent at the same time as the motion for a general election. The Lords were all set to talk their way through the weekend on Wednesday night and then it all came to an abrupt halt at 1.30am. Something must have occurred in order to make that happen. The suggestion of a deal, or perhaps just the threat of withholding the Benn Bill from the Queen’s in-tray, is my bet.

nomadking · 06-09-2019, 09:54

The Political Declaration that went along with the Withdrawal Agreement, specifies that discussions on a future deal cannot even start until we leave. Therefore by blocking leaving the EU, the Remainers are the ones saying "no deal".

It can then correctly be argued that fulfilling "no to no deal", actually means leaving the EU.

There is no possibility of a deal until after we've left.

**Hugh** · 06-09-2019, 10:10

That’s one way of looking at it...

Of course, if we don’t leave, there’s no need for a deal, therefore no to no no deal would mean not needing no no deal (or not).

denphone · 06-09-2019, 10:10

Challenge to UK Parliament suspension fails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584

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Challenge to UK PM Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament rejected, London's High Court says

Dave42 · 06-09-2019, 10:27

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Originally Posted by denphone

Challenge to UK Parliament suspension fails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584

going to appeal to Supreme Court

Anti-Brexit campaigner: 'I will not give up the fight for democracy'
Speaking outside the High Court after her legal challenge was rejected, anti-Brexit campaigner vows not to give up in her fight against the PM's suspension of parliament.
She says: "As our politics becomes ever more chaotic, we feel it is absolutely vital that parliament should be sitting.
"We are therefore please that the judges have given us permission to appeal to the Supreme Court, which we will be doing.
"And they felt that our case has the merit to be handed up.
"We are looking to sit in the Supreme Court... on 17 September for the appeal hearing.
"Today we stand for everyone, we stand for the future generations and we stand for representative democracy.
"To give up now would be a dereliction of our responsibility.
"We need to protect our institutions. It's not right that they should be shut down or bullied, especially at this most momentous time in our history.

pip08456 · 06-09-2019, 10:28

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Originally Posted by denphone

Challenge to UK Parliament suspension fails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584

As expected.

denphone · 06-09-2019, 10:30

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Originally Posted by pip08456

As expected.

Indeed..

nomadking · 06-09-2019, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s one way of looking at it...

Of course, if we don’t leave, there’s no need for a deal, therefore no to no no deal would mean not needing no no deal (or not).

But the Remainers insist on saying the a "vote to leave" was a "vote to leave with a deal". The Political Declaration also says that any future deal is to respect the result of the 2016 referendum.

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It must also ensure the sovereignty of the United Kingdom and the protection of its internal market, while respecting the result of the 2016
referendum including with regard to the development of its independent
trade policy and the ending of free movement of people between the
Union and the United Kingdom.

The EU has declared that there will be no negotiations on a deal until after we've left. Leaving the EU is the required first step to "no to no deal".

Pierre · 06-09-2019, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Chris

1. Constitutional crisis ... no chance.
2. Constitutional crisis ... as above.
3. Unlikely, and pointless as it still doesn’t precipitate an election.

Parliament certainly don't seem to be bothered about playing fast and loose with the constitution? But I agree, unlikely.

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I think at this stage the most likely outcome on Monday is that the Opposition will be told the Benn Bill will go to the palace for assent at the same time as the motion for a general election. The Lords were all set to talk their way through the weekend on Wednesday night and then it all came to an abrupt halt at 1.30am. Something must have occurred in order to make that happen. The suggestion of a deal, or perhaps just the threat of withholding the Benn Bill from the Queen’s in-tray, is my bet.

Again I agree, if we return with a Brexit focused government, with a majority, the Benn Bill could be overturned anyway. If we don't get a government with a working majority with all MPs in line, then we will just have more of the same.

**Hugh** · 06-09-2019, 10:58

If the Government call a motion of Confidence on Monday (to precipitate an election), and tell the Conservative MPs to abstain (to ensure the vote fails, thus "no confidence"), if any Conservative MPs support the motion (because they have confidence in the Government), will they have the Whip removed and be de-selected because they have confidence in the Government?

Asking for a friend...

**Damien** · 06-09-2019, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Parliament certainly don't seem to be bothered about playing fast and loose with the constitution? But I agree, unlikely.

They're still elected representatives working with the mechanisms available to them. Different order entirely to trying to get the Queen to dissolve Parliament and break the Fixed Terms Parliament Act.

pip08456 · 06-09-2019, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Damien

They're still elected representatives working with the mechanisms available to them. Different order entirely to trying to get the Queen to dissolve Parliament and break the Fixed Terms Parliament Act.

Making things up again Damien?

nomadking · 06-09-2019, 11:32

You have to wonder why Ireland is being so awkward.
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Electricity and gas prices could spiral as almost 90% of Ireland’s total energy requirements are imported, and most of it comes from or through the UK.
It’s a business around €4.6 billion each year and the new taxes which will be imposed after Brexit will mean it will hundreds of euro more to heat their homes.

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While it is unlikely anyone will actually go hungry after a hard Brexit there will almost certainly be shortages of some foods in a matter of days.
It should be remembered that after just a few days of snow when the Beast from the East struck at the end of last February the shelves were bare on many supermarkets.
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Around two-thirds of the products on Irish supermarket shelves are made in the UK or come through that country.

If deliveries of food get delayed, doesn't that also apply to medicines?

Why aren't they anxious to get things sorted out.

**Damien** · 06-09-2019, 11:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Making things up again Damien?