PM Boris forms a government - Page 125

jfman · 05-09-2019, 01:34

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The backstop is meant to be about regulatory alignment. Well guess what, even without the backstop, day 1 of Brexit would still have UK wide regulatory alignment. Even imports from non-EU countries will still have the same EU compliance.

ECJ rules on those regulations in the EU, the UK rules on them in the UK. Nothing wrong in that. If and when, any regulations diverge then it becomes more complicated. But it is still no different to current EU countries trading with each other. Eg recent case of company in the Czech Republic(?) selling non-EU compliant goods, or several EU countries selling horse meat masquerading as beef. Any future divergence in regulatory alignment is not likely to be that great in nature and will take time.

So what exactly is the EUs problem?

Presumably that on Day 2 that could change?

Pierre · 05-09-2019, 07:08

Looks like an election in November then.

Can’t wait.

denphone · 05-09-2019, 07:42

Hung parliament , landslide or a overall majority?..

**Chris** · 05-09-2019, 08:02

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Looks like an election in November then.

Can’t wait.

Timing is still everything here.

The great Lords filibuster came to a sudden halt at around 1.30am today, and el gov is now assuring everyone that the Benn Bill ‘will be ready’ for Royal Assent on Monday. It seems a deal is on the table; my guess would be for a general election motion and the Benn Bill to be approved at the same time immediately before prorogation. A bit like two people pointing guns at each other and agreeing to slowly lower them at the same time.

But predictions are a mug’s game at the moment, so we will just have to wait and see.

nomadking · 05-09-2019, 08:22

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Originally Posted by jfman

Presumably that on Day 2 that could change?

Are there plans for any changes in the pipeline? They don't happen from initial idea to implementation overnight.

1andrew1 · 05-09-2019, 08:29

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Originally Posted by jfman

Presumably that on Day 2 that could change?

Exactly. If we'rr going to have to adhere permanently to EU rules and regulations without having a say in them to keep such a border, we may as well stay in the EU and have a say.

Sephiroth · 05-09-2019, 08:41

Bearing the Referendum in mind, democracy died (a second death) yesterday in Parliament.

ianch99 · 05-09-2019, 08:48

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Bearing the Referendum in mind, democracy died (a second death) yesterday in Parliament.

Churchill (speaking in 1938 post Munich as he was shunned by the party and faced deselection) disagrees:

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The bill currently passing through parliament is intended to create a law forcing the Prime Minister to request an extension.

Boris, the PM, is the head of government and therefore has the UK’s seat at the European Council where any such request would be considered.

What is not being discussed (much) is if Johnson can veto his own request for an extension?

**Chris** · 05-09-2019, 09:12

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What is not being discussed (much) is if Johnson can veto his own request for an extension?

The wording of the Benn Bill seems to suggest they think it would be possible under the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty for the PM to just veto any offer the EU made. The Bill details what the PM is allowed to do under various possible outcomes and what parliament’s role would be.

nomadking · 05-09-2019, 09:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. If we'rr going to have to adhere permanently to EU rules and regulations without having a say in them to keep such a border, we may as well stay in the EU and have a say.

Have a say? Since when? Any objections would be overruled.

Dave42 · 05-09-2019, 10:16

Boris Johnson's personality has made the Brexit crisis worse

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...worse-11802482

**Hugh** · 05-09-2019, 10:23

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Churchill (speaking in 1938 post Munich as he was shunned by the party and faced deselection) disagrees:

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What is not being discussed (much) is if Johnson can veto his own request for an extension?

Not at the European Council.

Article 50(4) prevents this.

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Article 50

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

At the European Commission meeting about the Article 50 extension in April, Theresa May was present as a guest, not a member of the Council (unlike June this year).

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/medi...mbinoscope.pdf

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I have to say, this third series of the reality TV show "Worst Prime Minister Ever" is really good...

nomadking · 05-09-2019, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Boris Johnson's personality has made the Brexit crisis worse

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...worse-11802482

Must have missed the bit when Remainers were supposedly not awkward, disruptive, or belligerent. It didn't all mysteriously start when Boris became PM.

**Hugh** · 05-09-2019, 10:31

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Must have missed the bit when Remainers were supposedly not awkward, disruptive, or belligerent. It didn't all mysteriously start when Boris became PM.

tbf, BJ was awkward, disruptive, and belligerent before he became PM...

jfman · 05-09-2019, 11:10

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Are there plans for any changes in the pipeline? They don't happen from initial idea to implementation overnight.

I haven't read the trade deal with the Palestinian Authority in great detail to be honest.