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Old 08-09-2020, 17:27   #1441
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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

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Now the streaming services are starting to dominate viewer choices,
Please provide statistics to back up this assertion. Viewing figures from BARB would do. Good luck getting stats from any of the streamers though, none of them provide anything like the level of detail you get from BARB. Clue: basic subscriber numbers do not equate to hours watched.

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Old 08-09-2020, 17:43   #1442
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Please provide statistics to back up this assertion. Viewing figures from BARB would do. Good luck getting stats from any of the streamers though, none of them provide anything like the level of detail you get from BARB. Clue: basic subscriber numbers do not equate to hours watched.

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Sorry, I should have made clear that I was referring to pay tv, not all TV.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...ertakes-pay-tv
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'Dominate' viewer choices.

15.4 million subscriptions plays 15.1 million, many of which will be the same people! Indeed, as someone with Amazon, Netflix, Now TV, Apple TV+ and Virgin I'm counted 5 times!

The majority of my money goes to Virgin though. 80% of my viewing habits by that spurious metric are streaming though...
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'Dominate' viewer choices.

15.4 million subscriptions plays 15.1 million, many of which will be the same people! Indeed, as someone with Amazon, Netflix, Now TV, Apple TV+ and Virgin I'm counted 5 times!

The majority of my money goes to Virgin though. 80% of my viewing habits by that spurious metric are streaming though...
I'm pretty much the same , and even with having all those streaming services still watch far more terrestrial and traditional pay TV.
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Sorry, I should have made clear that I was referring to pay tv, not all TV.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...ertakes-pay-tv
In which case your argument is self defeating. One form of paid-for entertainment may displace another, but with around 66% of viewing share still going to the five free to air PSBs and more than 75% to all free to air broadcasters, streaming service providers could entirely replace paid-for broadcast TV and still account for only a quarter of viewing, by your measure.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...g-summary-new/

Besides all of the above, the report you linked to does not support the assertion you rested on it. Streaming subscriptions do not “dominate” pay-tv subscriptions. There are (slightly) more streaming subs in the U.K. than pay-tv subs, but these obviously are not two different sets of people. The numbers are so close that for the most part, it’s inevitable that most pay tv subscribers have simply added a streaming sub to their package. The picture here is of people adding to the mix of entertainment they buy, not swapping one for another.

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In which case your argument is self defeating. One form of paid-for entertainment may displace another, but with around 66% of viewing share still going to the five free to air PSBs and more than 75% to all free to air broadcasters, streaming service providers could entirely replace paid-for broadcast TV and still account for only a quarter of viewing, by your measure.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...g-summary-new/

Besides all of the above, the report you linked to does not support the assertion you rested on it. Streaming subscriptions do not “dominate” pay-tv subscriptions. There are (slightly) more streaming subs in the U.K. than pay-tv subs, but these obviously are not two different sets of people. The numbers are so close that for the most part, it’s inevitable that most pay tv subscribers have simply added a streaming sub to their package. The picture here is of people adding to the mix of entertainment they buy, not swapping one for another.
Yes, I see that, thanks for clarifying. But the point remains that there has been an explosion in the amount of viewing via streaming services in 5 years.
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Yes, I see that, thanks for clarifying. But the point remains that there has been an explosion in the amount of viewing via streaming services in 5 years.
Which nobody has ever disputed. A range of products, at a fraction of the cost of Sky/Virgin packages taps into a new market - those that can’t afford or don’t want traditional TV packages, while also being an inexpensive add on for those who do.

To extrapolate this reality in the manner you do on the other hand...
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In which case your argument is self defeating. One form of paid-for entertainment may displace another, but with around 66% of viewing share still going to the five free to air PSBs and more than 75% to all free to air broadcasters, streaming service providers could entirely replace paid-for broadcast TV and still account for only a quarter of viewing, by your measure.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...g-summary-new/

Besides all of the above, the report you linked to does not support the assertion you rested on it. Streaming subscriptions do not “dominate” pay-tv subscriptions. There are (slightly) more streaming subs in the U.K. than pay-tv subs, but these obviously are not two different sets of people. The numbers are so close that for the most part, it’s inevitable that most pay tv subscribers have simply added a streaming sub to their package. The picture here is of people adding to the mix of entertainment they buy, not swapping one for another.
It would be interesting to get to know how many of these are Virgin Media customers subscribing to Now TV for Sky Atlantic.
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Apart from Hisense this is not on any major brands or devices has fail written all over it unless they pull their finger out.
Vestel is a top three TV manufacturer and Europe's largest so that's a pretty good start. It sells under retailers' own brands so isn't well known in the UK in its own right.

rlaxx has plans for other platforms too.
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It would be interesting to get to know how many of these are Virgin Media customers subscribing to Now TV for Sky Atlantic.
Ha ha! Yes, good point!
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Vestel is a top three TV manufacturer and Europe's largest so that's a pretty good start. It sells under retailers' own brands so isn't well known in the UK in its own right.

rlaxx has plans for other platforms too.

Well, you learn something new every day, I've never heard of them...
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They make many cheap supermarket televisions and some formerly decent brands use their sets but rebadge them.
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Well, you learn something new every day, I've never heard of them...
They are huge
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Turkish delight.....
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Turkish delight.....
If you're old enough to remember Asil Nadir and PollyPeck:
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At the height of his career, Asil Nadir headed up the fastest growing company in the world. He built Polly Peck International from a small fruit trading business into one of the biggest conglomerates in Europe, whose acquisitions included American fruit giant Del Monte and Japanese electronics firm Sansui, as well as launching Turkey’s own consumer electronics brand Vestel.
http://www.t-vine.com/asil-nadir-arr...sed-from-jail/

Meanwhile, interesting developments from Comcast:
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Speaking in a virtual conference organised by Goldman Sachs, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts said the company was studying how it might take its existing technology international.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...lobal-service/
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