Britain outside the EU

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm not going to lose sleep over that, given that we only produce about three quarters of the dairy produce we consume and import pretty much all the rest of it from the EU.

There is a domestic market for everything British dairy farms produce, and it would be much more environmentally friendly for us to produce and consume our own needs as far as possible.

Yep, entirely agree.
I guess if the EU are short of chicken, pork etc they can produce more themselves . . . the place is big enough

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm not going to lose sleep over that, given that we only produce about three quarters of the dairy produce we consume and import pretty much all the rest of it from the EU.

There is a domestic market for everything British dairy farms produce, and it would be much more environmentally friendly for us to produce and consume our own needs as far as possible.

If there is a domestic market for all these foods, you have to wonder why food producers are (or were) exporting? Surely in transport costs alone, selling domestically is a no brainer?

Is it;

• The food produced is not generally consumed in the UK so manufacturers will need to make new products, or UK consumers change their tastes?
• The price the products can be sold at in the EU are higher than in the UK, making the food less profitable going forward if sold in the UK so manufacturers will either need to raise prices or take the drop in income?

I always remember a while back when it turned out that the UK import AND export huge amounts of lamb. UK consumers like legs which we import while the rest of Europe prefer other cuts which we export once we have taken the legs off

[Carth]

Exporting to the EU was probably written into the rules somewhere, all in the interests of keeping a level playing field for all meat/dairy producers within the EU . . you know how it goes

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If there is a domestic market for all these foods, you have to wonder why food producers are (or were) exporting? Surely in transport costs alone, selling domestically is a no brainer?

Is it;

• The food produced is not generally consumed in the UK so manufacturers will need to make new products, or UK consumers change their tastes?
• The price the products can be sold at in the EU are higher than in the UK, making the food less profitable going forward if sold in the UK so manufacturers will either need to raise prices or take the drop in income?

I always remember a while back when it turned out that the UK import AND export huge amounts of lamb. UK consumers like legs which we import while the rest of Europe prefer other cuts which we export once we have taken the legs off

I wonder how much of the exported milk went into French cheese production imports of which have allegedly dropped?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I wonder how much of the exported milk went into French cheese production imports of which have allegedly dropped?

Are you talking about imports of French cheeses to the UK? That would be people on here boycotting EU goods...

It doesn't break down what dairy products specifically - just milk or intermediate products like skimmed milk and milk powders or finished products like butter, cheese and yoghurts

However, just to show that there is a website for everything, I found this site - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec...opa&country=FR which breaks down imports and exports of dairy. France seems pretty self sufficient.

There's also a map - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec..._map&year=2021 showing who are net importers and exporters

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Are you talking about imports of French cheeses to the UK? That would be people on here boycotting EU goods...

It doesn't break down what dairy products specifically - just milk or intermediate products like skimmed milk and milk powders or finished products like butter, cheese and yoghurts

However, just to show that there is a website for everything, I found this site - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec...opa&country=FR which breaks down imports and exports of dairy. France seems pretty self sufficient.

There's also a map - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec..._map&year=2021 showing who are net importers and exporters

Yes I was referring to imports of cheese. The UK is not the only reduction.

[Sephiroth]

The Torygraph has published an insightfuk analysis the EU's intentions toward the UK. The paywall link is: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1403673

An extract (with my highlight in red) is pasted below.

The EU’s stupidity will spark a new Brexit war

Now that the trade deal has finally been ratified, Britain is free to start the fightback against Brussels

..... There was the outrageous threat by Brussels to confiscate contracted vaccine shipments to the UK, the despicable, counterproductive demonisation of AstraZeneca, the ban on the exports of shellfish, the threats to disrupt the City and, of course, the intransigent, tone-deaf approach to Northern Ireland. Frustratingly, the Government’s only real action to date has been to unilaterally extend grace periods on Irish Sea border checks, a palliative move insufficient to avoid a full-scale crisis in the province. ....

.... Many Eurosceptics hoped Brexit would usher in a new era of friendly cooperation with Europe. We would no longer be seeking to block federalising treaties, or arguing about money, so tensions ought to have been removed. Yet this has already proved hopelessly utopian. The ideologues in Brussels don’t do friendship: you are either under their control, or their rivals, to be undermined pitilessly.

Britain should never be petty, but it is now time for the Government to fight just as ruthlessly for our own national interest.

I challenge the Remainers in this thread to defend the EU and to answer this question: In hindsight, would you have wished to remain in the EU know what a nasty lot the leadership is?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The Torygraph has published an insightfuk analysis the EU's intentions toward the UK. The paywall link is: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1403673

An extract (with my highlight in red) is pasted below.

I challenge the Remainers in this thread to defend the EU and to answer this question: In hindsight, would you have wished to remain in the EU know what a nasty lot the leadership is?

They're saints compared to BoJo who gave the address details of an investigative journalist so he could be beaten up.

Thank goodness a Remainer came to the country's aid to lead the vaccine procurement or we'd still be in full lockdown.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're saints compared to BoJo who gave the address details of an investigative journalist so he could be beaten up.

Thank goodness a Remainer came to the country's aid to lead the vaccine procurement or we'd still be in full lockdown.

You didn't accept my challenge but rather behaved like the PM on the ropes not answering the question,

Try again, please.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You didn't accept my challenge but rather behaved like the PM on the ropes not answering the question,

Try again, please.

The first sentence in the op ed piece is incorrect apart from the approach to AstraZeneca. This ground has been covered before and the errors in such pieces highlighted many times before, such that it becomes a tad repetitive.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The first sentence in the op ed piece is incorrect apart from the approach to AstraZeneca. This ground has been covered before and the errors in such pieces highlighted many times before, such that it becomes a tad repetitive.

Well, no. From my earlier post:

The ideologues in Brussels don’t do friendship: you are either under their control, or their rivals, to be undermined pitilessly

Do you agree with any part of the analysis quoted above?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The Torygraph has published an insightfuk analysis the EU's intentions toward the UK. The paywall link is: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1403673

An extract (with my highlight in red) is pasted below.



I challenge the Remainers in this thread to defend the EU and to answer this question: In hindsight, would you have wished to remain in the EU know what a nasty lot the leadership is?

Ooh, that guy is angry!

I think he may have forgotten that we have left the EU. He also seems confused that the EU is set up to benefit EU nations, not third countries unless it is in the member states interests

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well, no. From my earlier post:
Do you agree with any part of the analysis quoted above?

It's not analysis it's just the outpourings of a shock jock who doesn't understand the implications of leaving the EU who's now throwing his toys out of the pram.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's not analysis it's just the outpourings of a shock jock who doesn't understand the implications of leaving the EU who's now throwing his toys out of the pram.

Other articles by this chap...

Joe Biden’s woke Left-wing agenda is a catastrophe for the free world

The Tories have abandoned Sadiq Khan's London to a doom-spiral of permanent decline

f you are a Tory voter in London, tough luck. You now live in a one party city-state, controlled forever more by a Labour administration committed to grinding you down.

We have one last chance to stop Britain's descent into a post-Covid socialist nightmare

The Tories have trashed Thatcherism and embraced Europe’s politics of decline

It's like Richard Littlejohn has been cloned and worn a suit...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Ooh, that guy is angry!

I think he may have forgotten that we have left the EU. He also seems confused that the EU is set up to benefit EU nations, not third countries unless it is in the member states interests

Exactly (the highlighted bit only). The author was reflecting on VdL's remarks to the Parliament which included the following remarks - no mention of friendship anywhere: https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/27/...ean-parliament

Von der Leyen said the new EU-UK trade deal "comes with real teeth", referring to the dispute settlement mechanism and the provisions that would allow the EU to take "unilateral remedial measures where necessary".

"Let me be clear: We do not want to have to use these tools. But we will not hesitate to use them if necessary. They are essential to ensure full compliance with the TCA and the Withdrawal Agreement, which were both negotiated in such fine detail and agreed by both sides," she told MEPs.

Quite simply they don't do friendship. Many other important countries do.