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Old 06-08-2008, 17:50   #13381
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Could it be that BT Business Customers were given some real facts instead of BT Spin?
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...post13328.html

The BT Forum Moderators have just locked another thread!
A real Ghetto, especially when it is BT Retail Customers who are mostly affected!
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Macavity: The BT Cat - with apologies to T S Eliott

Macavity's a BT Cat: he's called the Hidden Paw -
For he's the master criminal who can defy the Law.
He's the bafflement of Newgate Street, the ICO's despair:
For when they reach the Webwise screen - Macavity's not there!

Macavity, Macavity, there's no one like Macavity,
He's broken every Webwise law, he breaks the law of privacy.
His powers of interception would make a copper stare,
And when you reach the Webwise screen - Macavity's not there!
You may seek him in the log files, you may look up in the air -
But I tell you once and once again, Macavity's not there!

Mcavity's a Webwise cat, he's very tall and thin;
You would know him if you saw him, for his eyes are sunken in.
His brow is deeply lined with thought, his head is highly domed;
His coat is dusty from neglect, his whiskers are uncombed.
He sways his head from side to side, with movements like a snake;
And when you think he's half asleep, he's um.... er.. wide awake.

Macavity, Macavity, there's no one like Macavity,
For he's a fiend in feline shape, a monster of depravity.
You may meet him on a keyboard, you may see him on the screen -
But when an opt-in's discovered, then Macavity's not there!

He's outwardly respectable. (He works for the BT Boss.)
And his footprints are not found in any file at Charing Cross.
And when the website's looted, or the PII is rifled,
Or when the data's missing, or a forum thread's been stifled,
Or the BT network's broken, and Webwise past repair -
Ay, there's the wonder of the thing! Macavity's not there!

And when the Home Office find a memo's gone astray,
Or the DBERR lose some answers or letters by the way,
There may be a packet of data in the profiler or on the stair -
But it's useless to investigate - Mcavity's not there!
And when the loss has been disclosed, the ICO say:
`It must have been Macavity!' - but he's a mile away.
You'll be sure to find him resting, or a-licking of his thumbs,
Or engaged in doing complicated anonymising sums.

Macavity, Macavity, there's no one like Macavity,
There never was a Cat of such deceitfulness and suavity.
He always has an alibi, and one or two to spare:
At whatever time the deed took place - MACAVITY WASN'T THERE!
And they say that all the Cats whose wicked deeds are widely known
(I might mention Sanderson, I might mention GavinP)
Are nothing more than agents for the Cat who'se not the norm,
Just controls their operations: the Ertugrul of Phorm!

Feel free to quote on any other forums but please attribute to me!
It's what Dephormation would call a derivative work, but I found it on the internet, and BT legal and Emma say I can do what I like with it.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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"But the Information Commission ruled in May that no action would be taken against the telco due to the difficult nature of explaining to consumers what it was doing."

So................. Would it be OK not to pay my phone bill and expect just to carry on, on the basis that explaining why I haven't paid is just toooooooo complicated for their patronisedly tiny minds?
I am on VM now and to their credit I can understand their bill. But when I was on BT I have to admit had I known that the ICO would have backed up my none payment due to my lack of understanding due to BT's complicated layout, I would have turned to them.

Perhaps the same person who designed the BT bill forms had input to the Phorm / Webwise design also.

Then again, maybe the BBC statement should have said:

But the Information Commission ruled in May that no action would be taken against the telco due to the difficult nature of the ICO understanding of what was going on, so they buried their heads in the sand and prayed in the general direction of Kent.

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Baroness Miller has been asking some very good questions (spotted by felixcatuk over on Badphorm) House of Lords unanswered Questions for Written Answer
or here for a list of just Baroness Millers questions.
Its so funny that Phorm are still using comments of Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer who was leading the debate in the House of Lords on data protection, June 12, 2008 on their website.

Still, I suppose they are desperate for some good press albeit out of date.

Baroness Miller clearly seems to think different about them nowadays.

Long live the InPhormed (Post June 12th) Baroness Miller of Chilthorne.
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:10   #13383
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Macavity: The BT Cat - with apologies to T S Eliott

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Excellent, Robert!



I wonder if that would get deleted over on the other place.

OB
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:27   #13384
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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IIts so funny that Phorm are still using comments of Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer who was leading the debate in the House of Lords on data protection, June 12, 2008 on their website.

Still, I suppose they are desperate for some good press albeit out of date.

Baroness Miller clearly seems to think different about them nowadays.

Long live the InPhormed (Post June 12th) Baroness Miller of Chilthorne.
I added a comment about that to their blog. It's still awaiting moderation after many weeks.
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:28   #13385
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

McCavity Cat regrets his actions

http://www.rohkit.org.uk/images/omg%20webwise.jpg
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:45   #13386
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Hypothetical or hypocritical says one thing but means another(my bold)
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...rt=510&start=0

posted by Mark W 5/3/08

"Thanks for keeping this on-topic so far, this is just a note to say that I'm moderating this thread quite closely and I'll be deleting any off-topic posts, i.e anything that isn't a question about the BT Webwise service, to keep this thread useful.

Edit Ok I'm going to set up an second thread for general BT Webwise discussions and keep this one for the Q&A answers from Adam. I'm not stopping anyone from posting on this subject I'm trying to keep things on topic in this particular thread. I'll also edit the thread title to emphasise this".

Many apology's mods but unable to post there.
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:51   #13387
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Seriously, it's not appropriate to continue to use CF as a reposting/sounding board for things that are said/happening on other forums.

If people are already monitoring the BT forums then there is little extra that will be gained by continually reposting things like this here. By all means provide an update on important developments, but no more reposting of posts or bitching about the way that they're running the forum please. All that's happening is that the useful information and developments that are posted in this thread continue to be diluted and made less accessible.
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Old 06-08-2008, 20:11   #13388
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Seriously, it's not appropriate to continue to use CF as a reposting/sounding board for things that are said/happening on other forums.

If people are already monitoring the BT forums then there is little extra that will be gained by continually reposting things like this here. By all means provide an update on important developments, but no more reposting of posts or bitching about the way that they're running the forum please. All that's happening is that the useful information and developments that are posted in this thread continue to be diluted and made less accessible.
I have to agree i keep coming here maybe one or twice a day and i find 2 or 3 new pages. Maybe oyu should have something liek you have done for tvboy havea thread that is locked and sticked for any important information.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/

Whoah - I don't know what happened... maybe it's the news of the EU letter, but about 200 people signed up in one go in the past two or three days.
It's simply the mention on the BBC. In the early days I used to keep a spreadsheet of the petition growth, and we'd get more than 500 signatures a day whilst the BBC had a piece about Phorm on the Technology page. Otherwise we'd get far less.

Basically, there's still a lot of people out there who'd sign the petition if only they understood what BT/VM/TT were planning and knew there was a petition to sign.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I thought about creating a time series of signatories to the petition. Too late now, I guess.

You're probably right about the BBC, and the fact that there'd be more people willing to sign it if they knew about it. That's our job.
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Old 06-08-2008, 22:27   #13391
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

The fact that people are still signing the petitioin shows the word is getting around.
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Old 06-08-2008, 23:09   #13392
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Baroness Miller has been asking some very good questions (spotted by felixcatuk over on Badphorm) House of Lords unanswered Questions for Written Answer
or here for a list of just Baroness Millers questions.
Totally impressive, logical, detailed, incisive questions. To be applauded. Hooray for the Baroness!
 
Old 06-08-2008, 23:21   #13393
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Chariots of Phorm

Sorry

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BT make olympic effort to bury bad news on phorm / BT Webwise



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BT make olympic effort to bury bad news on phorm / BT Webwise



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Some one is for the high jump (couldn't resist).

Another myth debunked, this time "Privacy Enhancing Technology".
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

16,508 - numbers going up every hour

Interesting that so many people are signing when the latest BBC article does not have a live link to the petition. Must mean that they are reading earlier articles too - or going to look for the petition for themselves.

Can't complain too much: the videos are still good to watch again - specially the comment from ES that trials are due to start later this month, and there is not date on the video.

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AOL's subscriber base has shrunk rapidly since it decided to offer e-mail and other services free to all users and not just subscribers, instead focusing on boosting content to attract more advertising.

Although AOL still has more than eight million subscribers, about 2.8 million have left over the past year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7546357.stm

Even free services can't keep numbers up when businesses forget customers and concentrate on advertising.
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