Coronavirus

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The problem is those with powers are those without common sense. This is where problems occur.

Stopping someone jogging because he may be “breathing too heavily” , giving fines to two ladies because their coffees can be construed as a “picnic”.

These examples are just what get highlighted.

Breathing out more heavily increases the distance required for "social distancing". That impacts on the others that were walking along that path.

The supervisor can be heard telling him that he "can run" but "it is a problem when the people pass you by."

The 2 "ladies" were from 2 different households and were meeting up.
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A "group of friends" from different addresses told police they had driven from Manchester to Uttoxeter to visit McDonald's.
Staffordshire Police said the four occupants of the car, which was stopped in Uttoxeter on Friday night, were all fined £200.
The force tweeted the group did not have "legitimate reasons to be here other than going to McDonald's!"
The force reminded people to "stay at home unless necessary".
Police said they stopped the car at the McDonald's on the A50, just off the B5030 & A518.
Manchester to Uttoxeter is an approximately 68-mile (109km) journey.

Of course they were going to McDonald's and not somewhere else.
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Police have seized a VW Golf on the M62 after spotting it travelling at 90mph in the snow.
When officers pulled over the car they discovered it had not been taxed since September 2020 and seized the vehicle.
When questioning the driver and the two passengers they discovered they were from three different households and were in breach of Covid-19 regulations.

The trio told officers they were heading from Manchester to West Yorkshire to buy a takeaway meal.

Another group with fake excuses.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The 2 "ladies" were from 2 different households and were meeting up.

I think Pierre may have been refering to the Derbyshire peppermint tea walkers.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/202...ng-nature-walk

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think Pierre may have been refering to the Derbyshire peppermint tea walkers.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/202...ng-nature-walk

I was referring to that same story.

"It had been a couple of weeks since I'd been and I said to my friend why don't we go to the reservoir instead of the town centre because we noticed it was getting quite busy," she said.

People from 2 different households arranging a meeting, as I said. The laws are to restrict meeting up of different households.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I was referring to that same story.
People from 2 different households arranging a meeting, as I said. The laws are to restrict meeting up of different households.

These are the relevant lockdown rules (my italics):

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national...g-other-people

Meeting other people
It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting).

Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

You can exercise in a public outdoor place:

- by yourself
- with the people you live with
- with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
- in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
- or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household

This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue if participants are from the same household or support bubble. It can also continue if it is one-on-one, although this should only take place in a public outdoor place, and not in someone’s private home or garden.

Public outdoor places include:

- parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
- public and botanical gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
- the grounds of a heritage site
- public playgrounds

Playgrounds are primarily open for use by children who do not have access to private outdoor space, like their own garden. Although you can take your children to a playground for exercise, you must not socialise with other people while there.

Outdoor sports venues must close, for example:

- tennis courts
- golf courses
- swimming pools

Allotments remain open, but you cannot meet with someone outside your household or support bubble there unless another exemption applies.

Children under 5, and up to 2 carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the gatherings limits for exercising outside.

If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.

When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household. This includes the person you are exercising with, unless they are from your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Common sense on both sides is needed. Some of the rules depend on it.
e.g. how far away from your home you can exercise. People will just push it. 2 miles ? ok . 5 miles ? ok think so. 10miles? You're pushing it... 100 miles? you"re taking the pee (as in those Londoners who fancied a day trip to Wales to see some snow...)
If anything they've credited folks with too much common sense.

Quite. However, it appears the enforcement of the "guidelines" by police picking on easy targets has not helped. Any regular cyclist could easily do a 15 or 20 mile round trip.

People abusing the mask exemption in shops, or sneaking into parts of a hospital closed due to staff working on Covid patients should be the targets. Those abusing the law that are in areas where spread is most likely, not those socially distanced out in the fresh air stretching guidelines.

Personally I tend not to stray to far from my house because the public toilets are closed.

Originally Posted by jfman

I think papa is, in his own inimitable fashion, making a reasonable point here. It's not really about whether the people here can be convinced the vaccine is safe despite reservations.

Chris rightly lists an exhaustive set of steps that each manufacturer has gone through to get to this point. However Chris also said the following:



These statements don't contradict one another but the second points to the challenge faced. The Toby Young's and Julia Hartley-Brewer's of this world have been out there for 13 months whipping everyone up into a frenzy. This isn't about public health it's about stealing your freedoms. The idiots out there who buy into this nonsense are easy pickings for the anti-vax brigade.

If the aim is 'herd immunity' why can't I stay in the 20% that don't need to get it? That way I don't take the risk but get the collective benefit from everyone else doing so.

I'm playing devil's advocate here for the purposes of discussion - if I were offered it tomorrow I'd take it but there is going to be a challenge in convincing everyone/enough people to take it. I'm not on the priority list so it will be some months before it comes my way

A Tory MP wrote an article about TY/JHB and their ilk, about how they keep changing the story to stoke outrage.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-have-no-shame

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

A Tory MP wrote an article about TY/JHB and their ilk, about how they keep changing the story to stoke outrage.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-have-no-shame

A person with a Masters in Hindsight.

Commentators on all sides of any argument provide important discussion points of view, and commentators on all sides of the argument will have got things wrong and got things right as they react to the ever changing situation and information as it becomes available.

JHB’s crime is that she has dared question some of the actions of the government, advice of the scientific advisers. That is her job.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Personally I tend not to stray to far from my house because the public toilets are closed.

Take a shovel and a newspaper with you.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

A person with a Masters in Hindsight.

Commentators on all sides of any argument provide important discussion points of view, and commentators on all sides of the argument will have got things wrong and got things right as they react to the ever changing situation and information as it becomes available.

JHB’s crime is that she has dared question some of the actions of the government, advice of the scientific advisers. That is her job.

How noble of her.

I don’t think anyone has accused her of a crime. Last time I checked chronic stupidity wasn’t a crime, or a disability covered by the DDA.

No matter what Government say she will offer a contrary opinion against lockdown. That’s not some kind of noble journalism. It’s just being an arse.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Take a shovel and a newspaper with you.

Don’t do it near a John Lewis truck though.

Originally Posted by Pierre

A person with a Masters in Hindsight.

Commentators on all sides of any argument provide important discussion points of view, and commentators on all sides of the argument will have got things wrong and got things right as they react to the ever changing situation and information as it becomes available.

JHB’s crime is that she has dared question some of the actions of the government, advice of the scientific advisers. That is her job.

There is a huge difference between skepticism and contrariness...

JHB yesterday



JHB about two weeks ago

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

These are the relevant lockdown rules (my italics):

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national...g-other-people

They were NOT exercising in wellington boots in any shape or form. Their original plan was to go to the town centre. How would that have been exercising?
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"It had been a couple of weeks since I'd been and I said to my friend why don't we go to the reservoir instead of the town centre because we noticed it was getting quite busy," she said.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There is a huge difference between skepticism and contrariness...

JHB yesterday



JHB about two weeks ago

Well you can’t defend the indefensible, so I won’t.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well you can’t defend the indefensible, so I won’t.

When JHB went to Antigua, anyone else from the UK could also. It wasn't an exception using different rules.

Tennis players entering Australia was an exception to the rules.

Too much whataboutisms around at the moment. I have observed that my neighbours and others in my village are obeying the rules the best they can. It's not easy in the supermarket because there's not quite enough room but we try. Let's just try our best.