UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

On your second sentence, what I meant was executing trade with the USA and others.

Your first sentence is the nub of the matter. Economics vs sovereignty.

Trade deals take years to negotiate even without the delays resulting from Covid-19. So another year as is won't stop a US one being executed. That's years away, even assuming that it happens.
Not sure there's much lack of sovereignty at the moment in practical terms.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Economics vs sovereignty.

Where was my invite

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Trade deals take years to negotiate even without the delays resulting from Covid-19. So another year as is won't stop a US one being executed. That's years away, even assuming that it happens.
Not sure there's much lack of sovereignty at the moment in practical terms.

The thrust of the article I quoted is that if we extend, we'll be where they want us: Paying into their coffers and subject to EU law. That is lack of sovereignty.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The thrust of the article I quoted is that if we extend, we'll be where they want us: Paying into their coffers and subject to EU law. That is lack of sovereignty.

I've agreed with you on the payment situation and both parties can and should behave pragmatically. With high unemployment across the UK, no vaccination yet for CV-19, demands for higher public spending on healthcare and nursing homes, rapidly increasing Government debt, and business on its knees, the last thing the country needs is another problem just to tick a box that can be delayed for 12 months when we're in a better state to manage it.
I think the Government will acknowledge its priorities and agree an extension in the next couple of months. For now, it's just a waiting game to see what they decide.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've agreed with you on the payment situation and both parties can and should behave pragmatically. With high unemployment across the UK, no vaccination yet for CV-19, demands for higher public spending on healthcare and nursing homes, rapidly increasing Government debt, and business on its knees, the last thing the country needs is another problem just to tick a box that can be delayed for 12 months when we're in a better state to manage it.
I think the Government will acknowledge its priorities and agree an extension in the next couple of months. For now, it's just a waiting game to see what they decide.

We'll see, as you say.

[1andrew1]

On that issue of the border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that many people convinced themselves was not coming despite there being no easy alternative. It is coming.

The government has privately conceded there will be post-Brexit checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea, months after Boris Johnson insisted there would be no such trade barriers.
In a letter to the executive office in Stormont the government confirmed there would be border control posts in three ports, Belfast, Warrenpoint and Larne.
Declan Kearney, one of the two junior ministers in the executive office, the regional equivalent of the Cabinet Office in London, confirmed the details at a select committee session in Belfast on Wednesday.
He told members of the local assembly that officials had briefed the executive on Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

On that issue of the border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that many people convinced themselves was not coming despite there being no easy alternative. It is coming.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

This is an important point. Of course the Brexit advocating press will try and bury this but remember Johnson explicitly ruled this out in in Nov 2019:

Brexit: No checks on goods from NI to UK, says PM

Remember you vote for someone you like not that you trust ..

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This is an important point. Of course the Brexit advocating press will try and bury this but remember Johnson explicitly ruled this out in in Nov 2019:

Brexit: No checks on goods from NI to UK, says PM

Remember you vote for someone you like not that you trust ..

Boris may be a liar - but he got us out of the EU.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Boris may be a liar - but he got us out of the EU.

Or has he lied about that too ?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Boris may be a liar - but he got us out of the EU.

The trouble with liars is they invariably get found out in the end.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

The trouble with liars is they invariably get found out in the end.

Boris was found out long ago. And he currently gets away with it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Or has he lied about that too ?

We are already out. The issue now is whether we will get a trade deal with the EU.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Or has he lied about that too ?

What OB said.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are already out. The issue now is whether we will get a trade deal with the EU.

Make your mind up.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are already out. The issue now is whether we will get a trade deal with the EU.

Just to remind:

WE are saying:

- A trade deal around quotas and tariffs should be easy enough in its own right;
- A separate fishing deal should be negotiated and not tacked onto the trade deal;
- Other agreements such as aviation, security, etc should be separately negotiated.

THE EU is saying:
- Everything must be in one deal because of our proximity to Europe;
- There must be a 'level playing field' ( see Irish 12½% Corporation tax for details);
- EU law is to govern the agreement.
- The EU is bigger than the UK (we should bow to them).

Unless they blink, there will be no trade deal (tariffs/quotas). If we blink first, I'll be disappointed.