UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
22-10-2019, 17:04
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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So which media are you reading?
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Watching and listening
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Parliament will vote for the programme motion, b------ise the deal so it's gets voted down, then vote of no confidence their way to a GE. Why do things the quick way?
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Extension would need to be granted in amongst that, but for a GE, EU have already said they would.
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22-10-2019, 19:17
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Withdawal agreement bill passes in Commons.
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MPs have voted to allow the government’s withdrawal agreement bill to pass to the next stage of the parliamentary process.
They voted by 329 votes to 299; a majority of 30 on the second reading.
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22-10-2019, 19:21
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Withdawal agreement bill passes in Commons.
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By 52 / 48 % lol
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22-10-2019, 19:34
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
MPs reject Johnson's Brexit timetable.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-eu-live-news
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MPs have voted to reject the government’s timetable for the passage of the bill that would implement the prime minister’s Brexit deal.
They voted against by 322 to 308; a majority of 14.
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22-10-2019, 20:04
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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A 1-1 score draw then. Extra time EU?
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22-10-2019, 20:08
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
The timetable seems caviller to be honest. Would any Brexiter care that much about October 31st if Brexit is 100% about to happen? Literally just a few weeks more for legislation to pass?
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22-10-2019, 20:12
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Being a person of European stock I would like to ask the EU if I can have a dual passport and to be able to travel between member states without any red tape being involved.
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22-10-2019, 20:41
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
NF isn’t happy with BJ
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22-10-2019, 20:46
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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The timetable seems caviller to be honest. Would any Brexiter care that much about October 31st if Brexit is 100% about to happen? Literally just a few weeks more for legislation to pass?
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It’s symbolic isn’t it. I think you’re right if Brexit is to happen I don’t think anyone cares about a week or two. But the deadline focused the mind.
The extension letter asks for three months, which gives the remainer Parliament 3 more months to bugger about and if someone puts in a wrecking amendment or other spanner you can guarantee a Benn Act Mk2 demanding a further extension beyond Jan 31st ad infinitum.
If there was an amendment requiring parliament to conclude the passage of the bill by Nov 7th or something then no problem.
It looks like the will is there to get this bill through and done. The only obstacle would be an amendment from remainers for a second ref, Customs Union or similar.
If any of them get through and wreck this bill, then a General Election has to follow and i’ll Order the popcorn.
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22-10-2019, 20:52
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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It looks like the will is there to get this bill through and done. The only obstacle would be an amendment from remainers for a second ref, Customs Union or similar.
If any of them get through and wreck this bill, then a General Election has to follow and i’ll Order the popcorn.
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It's contradictory to claim there is a will to pass this Bill. If such a will existed there would be no wrecking amendments - each and every one would be voted down.
There's no will for this Parliament to deliver Brexit. If there was we'd be spending the next two days debating this Bill. If it survived intact, or broadly intact, Johnson would have gone down the minor technical extension approach.
It won't survive.
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22-10-2019, 21:04
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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NF isn’t happy with BJ
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Unfortunately for Nige, he won’t do as nearly as well as he thinks he may in a GE. Certainly not in Tory seats.
Most sensible Tory voters know that a vote for the Brexit party is a wasted vote ( unless you live in a labour stronghold)
And it is evident that Boris has tried his best to get the deal through, if it fails he will squarely blame Labour.
Die hard Labour voters that voted Leave but cannot bring themselves to vote Tory will vote for the Brexit party.
Tory leave voters will vote Tory. Tory remain voters will not vote Labour, some may vote LibDems but I doubt any great numbers.
I would expect Labour to be spanked in a GE, which is why they don’t want one. But if they continue to vote against a GE and against a Brexit deal, they are just compounding the swell of frustration from many of their voters in their Northern heartlands so much so that there will never be a good time for them to fight an election.
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It's contradictory to claim there is a will to pass this Bill. If such a will existed there would be no wrecking amendments - each and every one would be voted down.
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I take your point, but I have been watching Parliament for most of the day today. And I have heard several MPs advise ( from all three parties) hat they will vote for the bill if it has a referendum attached to it.
That scenario is entirely plausible
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There's no will for this Parliament to deliver Brexit. If there was we'd be spending the next two days debating this Bill. If it survived intact, or broadly intact, Johnson would have gone down the minor technical extension approach.
It won't survive.
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GE then, look forward to it.
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22-10-2019, 21:13
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Plenty said they would with a second referendum because they know Johnson would do everything to prevent it. Others will have backed the deal, but not the programme motion, for the benefit of their electorate in any future election. "Look - I voted for the deal I just wanted more time".
It'd kill his 'do or die' image, and worse there'd be a genuine risk we would vote to remain. The Tories would collapse in the polls as a result, if they even continued to exist as a single party.
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22-10-2019, 21:26
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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It'd kill his 'do or die' image, and worse there'd be a genuine risk we would vote to remain. The Tories would collapse in the polls as a result, if they even continued to exist as a single party.
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Won’t happen, if anyone tables a wrecking amendment, and it gets voted in, Boris will just pull the Bill. Cancel it and call for a GE.
With no deal off the table ( assuming an extension has been applied). Labour have no grounds to object to it. Indeed that is the scenario in which they have said they want.
Then, i’m Afraid, Corbyn will have his arse handed to him by Boris. Thing is Jezza knows this so it will be massively entertaining to see him try and weasel his way out of a GE.
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22-10-2019, 21:32
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/st...37952313004032
Donald Tusk will recommend the EU accepts the UK's request for an extension until January 31st.
One overlooked thing here is the EU are probably happy with where they are now. They did one deal and then did another one, each time extending the deadline when requested. If we crash out there will be few people blaming them for it. They'll probably sit back, accept extension requests until such a time we finally do something.
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With no deal off the table ( assuming an extension has been applied). Labour have no grounds to object to it. Indeed that is the scenario in which they have said they want.
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Remember the Liberal Democrats and the SNP also stopped an election and they stood to gain from one. There was genuine concern about Boris Johnson using the election to push though No Deal in the absence of a Parliament. As soon as the extension is confirmed those two parties will likely go for an election (although the Libs will likely try a referendum first).
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22-10-2019, 21:38
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Won’t happen, if anyone tables a wrecking amendment, and it gets voted in, Boris will just pull the Bill. Cancel it and call for a GE.
With no deal off the table ( assuming an extension has been applied). Labour have no grounds to object to it. Indeed that is the scenario in which they have said they want.
Then, i’m Afraid, Corbyn will have his arse handed to him by Boris. Thing is Jezza knows this so it will be massively entertaining to see him try and weasel his way out of a GE.
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Odd that you omitted to quote my first sentence:
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Plenty said they would with a second referendum because they know Johnson would do everything to prevent it.
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