Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I'm still astonished. I really didn't imagine Salmond could have done so badly.

For him to have any chance of affecting the polls, he needed to do brilliantly. He didn't even do competently.

Pandas. Aliens. Tories! Tories! Tories!

Pathetic.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm still astonished. I really didn't imagine Salmond could have done so badly.

For him to have any chance of affecting the polls, he needed to do brilliantly. He didn't even do competently.

Pandas. Aliens. Tories! Tories! Tories!

Pathetic.

Salmond is the new Clegg by the sound of it...

[Derek]

if you want a truly independent view of the likelihood of independence, just look at the bookmakers' odds (the only thing they are interested in is the likelihood of an outcome, not politics or spin).

At the moment, "No" is 1/6 to 1/7, and "Yes" is 7/2 to 9/2.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...rendum-outcome

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Osem

Apparently STV is having problems with the live feed of debate - it'll be more bullying I imagine...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

It'll be David Cameron himself pulling the plug on Scotland's internet connection while cackling in an evil way.

[Stephen]

Salmond really isn't giving up is he!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-28691840

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond has insisted Scotland will retain sterling under independence, in the face of continued opposition criticism.


He said a formal currency union with the rest of the UK was the best option, saying: "It's Scotland's pound and we are keeping it."

Now I am no idiot, I know a currency union would be the best option, however we have been told by more than one source that this will NOT happen.

However this idiot is still claiming it's Scotland pound as we've used it for centuries.

Now this is only true in the sense that Scotland is PART of the UK and if we leave that then it is no longer OUR pound.

Its that simple. He can't keep telling people that is a fact when it blatantly isn't. Would you really want to rely on a currency cintrolled by a different county setting interest rates and everything else? That would just be really dangerous.

Also in the paper today I read that he insists that we will keep the pound as the will of the Scottish people will force Westminster and the Bank of England to ket us keep the pound.

Honestly the guy lives in a fantasy land.

[Osem]

No doubt all the Bravemouth talk goes down well with some Scots. Time will tell how many buy into his 'best of both worlds' rhetoric.

Unfortunately this is where nationalist thinking always leads. He demands recognition for the sovereign will of his people but has no regard for the sovereign will of other people in the process.

As I've said before I think he knows the game is up it's all about getting the result as close as possible to enable the SNP to raise all this within the next ten to fifteen years. To achieve that he needs every remotely nationalist to vote yes and all the rhetoric is for their benefit. Sooner September comes the better and all this divisive rubbish can die down for a bit personally sick and tired of the whole damn thing now.

Originally Posted by Chris

Unfortunately this is where nationalist thinking always leads. He demands recognition for the sovereign will of his people but has no regard for the sovereign will of other people in the process.

They're losing it. At the moment the CyberNats have gone full wacko and believe that the world's biggest oil field has been found just off the Shetlands Islands, a oil find so big it would turn Scotland into the world's richest country overnight, and it's being concealed. They believe the polling companies are not only rigging the polls but now also the debates.

Re your link - there's a lot of Confirmation Bias in those comments.

It's not looking great for the Yessers this morning. A Survation poll for the Daily Wail in the immediate aftermath of the debate has shown a significant swing to No. Survation's weighting methodology generally shows a higher number of Don't Knows and indirectly favours Yes, so this is doubly significant IMO.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...te-defeat.html

[MalteseFalcon]

Just know I will be bitterly disappointed come September. And I would like to know why only Scottish people are getting the vote, English Irish and Welsh should be allowed to vote as well. Or are they scared that allowing others to vote would see the Yes vote surge ahead?

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Just know I will be bitterly disappointed come September. And I would like to know why only Scottish people are getting the vote, English Irish and Welsh should be allowed to vote as well. Or are they scared that allowing others to vote would see the Yes vote surge ahead?

Votes on cessation are held within the territory that would cecede. That's a pretty widely followed international convention.

The referendum is not about ending the united kingdom, it is about Scotland departing from it. If the other home nations had a vote, you could end up with a situation where Scottish voters opt to stay in the union, but voters elsewhere vote to chuck Scotland out. That would clearly be unfair, not least because there are about 12 times as many voters outside Scotland as there are within it.

If you would like England to end its relationship with Scotland, then you will just have to do what the Scottish nationalists have done. Found a separatist political party for England, then spend the next 75 years campaigning on it. Good luck with that.

Your super soaraway Sun has a new poll.

55% NO
35% YES
10% DK

Excluding DK, that's 61-38 in favour of No. A 22-point lead. Ouch.

(Yougov)

Paywall linkage: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ependence.html