Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

So just another of you anti tory/governmant rants. Got it.

As usual you haven't got it at all but unlike on other occasions I won't be an enabler for you to not get it even more. Goodnight

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More undemocratic tendencies from this government exposed

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-judges-powers

Wonder how long it'll be before judges are declared enamies of the people again by the Daily Mail

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The right to protest or withdraw labour are the very cornerstones of a functioning democracy, that's not strange, thinking they're not is strange.

We have some of the toughest strike laws in the world, certainly far tougher than are needed to become an MP in terms of vote percentage but rather than question that you'd rather rally behind the party's imagined enemy

You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.

As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The right to strike or protest should be protected though and it's very naive to think that the more power you are willing to give the Government to curtail people's rights won't, at some point, be used against you.

People do have the right to protest. Obstruction has always been an offence except that there has always been some tolerence when it comes to demos. Of course, if you keep pushing the boundaries, the authorities have to act, which is why they have amended the law. But the right to protest has not been taken away.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.

As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.

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People do have the right to protest. Obstruction has always been an offence except that there has always been some tolerence when it comes to demos. Of course, if you keep pushing the boundaries, the authorities have to act, which is why they have amended the law. But the right to protest has not been taken away.

We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.

[Ken W]

Originally Posted by Maggy

We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.

I agree

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.

Exactly. Seeing unexpected poverty in his home town, Gordon Brown has now stepped in to highlight the situation.

Gordon Brown 'seeing poverty I did not expect to see again' as he warns people will go hungry and cold within months

Former Labour prime minister Gordon Brown said he is campaigning heavily on the cost of living crisis because he is seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime".

People will have to go without food and be unable to heat their homes by October if the government doesn't take urgent action on the cost of living crisis, Gordon Brown has warned.

Speaking to Sky News, the former Labour prime minister said he was seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime", as he took aim at the Conservatives' policies.

Mr Brown branded the party's windfall tax as "stupid", claiming the opt-outs included in the tax brought forward when Rishi Sunak was chancellor reduced the value of the tax from £15bn to £5bn.

Demanding further intervention from the government, he set out his own vision for dealing with the cost of living crisis, including changing the windfall tax, a cap on energy bills and reforming the benefits system.

But he ruled out his own return to frontline politics, telling Sky News: "When you're out, you're out."

Mr Brown said he is campaigning heavily on the cost of living crisis because he is seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime".

He said charities are stocking up on duvets, sleeping bags, hot water bottles and blankets "because they know that people can't afford to heat their homes any more".

Meanwhile, faith groups are "thinking of opening their church halls as heating hubs so that pensioners, instead of freezing at home, can have a warm place to go to"

https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm...tings-12668291

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Cutting civil servant roles appears not to be the quick win it is made out to be by Truss and her followers

Plans to axe 91,000 UK civil servants would ‘cut public services’

Review of Johnson plan finds reductions would hit multiple government functions, say Whitehall insiders

Government plans to axe up to 91,000 civil servants over three years will require deep cuts to public services and cost at least £1bn in redundancy payments, according to a Whitehall review.

Boris Johnson in May unveiled plans for the near 20 per cent reduction in headcount, and in June said he could “prune” back the civil service to 2016 levels “without harming” frontline services

However, government insiders said a review by Steve Barclay, his former chief of staff, had found otherwise.

They added that the Barclay review had led the Treasury to “go cold” on Johnson’s plans after the emergence of the full upfront cost and impact on public services.

One government insider said the proposals to axe 91,000 civil servants would involve “serious cuts” to staff at HM Revenue and Customs, Border Force and prisons. “And you couldn’t protect jobs outside London,” added the insider.

Although estimates were not finalised, another Whitehall insider said a figure of £2bn had been discussed as a working assumption on the cost of compulsory redundancy payments.

The UK’s departure from the EU has required the expansion of the Department of International Trade to negotiate trade deals, while Britain’s post-Brexit immigration regime has increased demands on immigration and Border Force staff.

https://www.ft.com/content/95fbb2f3-...f-60b2ad170ee9

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.

Why would anyone listen to you when your answering a question no one asked, no one said the right to protest had been taken away

As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.

They're amongst the tightest in the world already and rather than trying to paint unions as the enemy I'd consider it more appropriate to consider if the onerous thresholds are met for a strike then those workers have serious concerns that need addressing.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

As usual you haven't got it at all but unlike on other occasions I won't be an enabler for you to not get it even more.

Well I'd ask for a translation into actual intelligible English, but TBH, I dont really care.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Maggy

We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.

The UK Gov is on its hols.

Boris is part of the 'quiet quitting' trend, deliberately letting Rome burn.... He'd love the Tories to lose big time at the next election so they can come crawling back to him. It always has been about him.

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[jfman]

Zombie Government (in)action. It’s almost as if the Tories and their rich donors can profiteer form the chaos while the gullible fools who voted for them last time can vote however they like in 2024. The money will be siphoned off into offshore tax havens by then in any case.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Maggy

We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.

It’s top of Liz Truss’s list.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why would anyone listen to you when your answering a question no one asked, no one said the right to protest had been taken away.

Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The UK Gov is on its hols.

Boris is part of the 'quiet quitting' trend, deliberately letting Rome burn.... He'd love the Tories to lose big time at the next election so they can come crawling back to him. It always has been about him.
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All politicians are entitled to holiday, and these days modern technology allows them to work at their villa, pool, or wherever they are. You are behind the times, Mr K - you need to curtail your watching of ‘Talking Pictures’ - the world is passing you by!

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Originally Posted by jfman

Zombie Government (in)action. It’s almost as if the Tories and their rich donors can profiteer form the chaos while the gullible fools who voted for them last time can vote however they like in 2024. The money will be siphoned off into offshore tax havens by then in any case.

In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.[

Admit to something you made up? Don't think so

Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories

Think you might need to borrow Paul's dictionary if you think that equates to taken away

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s top of Liz Truss’s list.

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Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.

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All politicians are entitled to holiday, and these days modern technology allows them to work at their villa, pool, or wherever they are. You are behind the times, Mr K - you need to curtail your watching of ‘Talking Pictures’ - the world is passing you by!

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In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.

You do realise that Summer Recess is for the House, not Government Ministers, don’t you?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.

Post #3798 is by Peanut and not The Daddy.

Did you mean post 3978?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.

I don't understand why you took this one on, OB.

The situation is too serious for the Guvmin to be on holiday.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't understand why you took this one on, OB.

The situation is too serious for the Guvmin to be on holiday.

Because he’s a fool. Clinging on til the bitter end to defend Johnson under the premise that he can do no wrong.

Even if you set aside that Government wields significant power beyond fhe legislature - there’s also the possibility of recalling Parliament which has happened on a number of occasions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_Parliament

The Government that freewheeled off the cliff edge at Brexit is now free wheeling the economy. A Conservative Party unworthy of the name.