Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The other one is no better with her regional pay boards, I don't get the crass incompetence of it all, anyone with anything about them would make absolute mincemeat out of them, still apparently we get the politicians we deserve, almost makes you long for the heady days of Blair, Brown and Cameron don't it, no not really

I think Starmer's quite happy letting the two of them tear oneanother apart.

Originally Posted by Dave42

that is the tory way gap always gets bigger under tories

Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.

Originally Posted by Mick

Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.

I think the public services are way worse now than they were in 2010.

NHS waiting lists have just been increasing:

Originally Posted by Damien

I think the public services are way worse now than they were in 2010.

NHS waiting lists have just been increasing:

And it would get worse under a socialist regime, why should doctors & nurses work when no one else wants to. Living in an Equal shared wealth society, is a disaster.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

I wonder if the Tories will look to change the rules in future so that leadership elections whilst in Government are limited to the Parliamentary Party. This summer of having the candidates appeal to this very narrow, very unrepresentative, electorate has had a few damaging moments for them.

I think limiting it to the MPs only would be quicker and you can argue they have a wider mandate given they represent a lot more people. They are the MPs the wider public elected into Government, they can claim to therefore have more right to choose who the PM is than a bunch of randoms.

Here's the problem as I see it.

The MPs bet according to their best chances of advancement.

As you can see, when it comes down to the final two, the nodding dogs are split roughly 50/50 according to their bet and thus their hopes for office,

Those nodding dogs, mostly, are the ones who have run the country so badly under both May and Johnson.

The wider membership are not impressed with Sunak for reason already discussed; they're not impressed with Truss, particularly because she came promoted a barmy idea to cut the wages of regional people notwithstanding the levelling up plan. She then said she's honest, will tell the truth and then weasel worded her answers to the hard questions that Kay Burley put to her.

I'm so disappointed that the outsiders never made it to the cut. I might even have to vote for Truss so that Sunak doesn't slide in under ther "none of the above" trap.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.

where has anyone every said everybody has to have the same wealth it never happened in history and never will. What is wrong with wanted to gap to close a bit not get bigger and as for public services they on there knee as usually happens under the tories and what services is gonna be cut for tax cut promises Truss has made you said yourself it Utterly Despicable what Sunak said about making gap bigger

Originally Posted by Dave42

where has anyone every said everybody has to have the same wealth it never happened in history and never will. What is wrong with wanted to gap to close a bit not get bigger and as for public services they on there knee as usually happens under the tories and what services is gonna be cut for tax cut promises Truss has made you said yourself it Utterly Despicable what Sunak said about making gap bigger

Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.

I think strikes tend to occur with flat economies and inflation and a government that is struggling to appear competent. Pretty much as we are right now with train strikes, bus strikes and now an eight-day strike at the country's largest container port!

Equal wealth is not a Labour Party policy. Like most parties they will talk about equality of opportunity.

https://news.sky.com/story/felixstow...-week-12666197

Originally Posted by Mick

And it would get worse under a socialist regime, why should doctors & nurses work when no one else wants to. Living in an Equal shared wealth society, is a disaster.

It didn't get worse between 97-10 though. This current Labour Party, like New Labour, aren't really socialists.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.

Labour more centre again now thankfully Corbyn booted out thankfully hopefully some of the rest will follow like Diane Abbott and John McDonald ect

Originally Posted by Damien

It didn't get worse between 97-10 though. This current Labour Party, like New Labour, aren't really socialists.

Yes they are. Services were dire under Labour during those periods, I disagree.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes they are. Services were dire under Labour during those periods, I disagree.

It look Labour a while but waiting lists, and especially quick treatment for cancer, improved quite a bit under Labour: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project.../waiting-times



It was Labour who introduced the two-week target for cancer referrals.

Obviously, they need to do it faster than 7 years in Government if they ever get re-elected - not least because I don't think they'll be given the 12 years and counted the Tories get as the waiting lists get longer and longer.

How long should the Tories get to turn it around? This isn't just COVID. The waiting lists had been getting longer and longer for a decade before.

[papa smurf]

Rishi humiliated as script for supporters exposed highlighting 'stage managed' campaign

The former Chancellor has been ridiculed after sending out a suggested script to his supporters on how to endorse him on social media. It includes preferred stock phrases for Tory members to use when making their case for Mr Sunak to be Prime Minister.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eadership-race


that loud bang was him shooting himself in the other foot

[richard-john56]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Labour more centre again now thankfully Corbyn booted out thankfully hopefully some of the rest will follow like Diane Abbott and John McDonald ect

Shame the Tories do not kick out the extreme right wing lot as well.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Shame the Tories do not kick out the extreme right wing lot as well.

In your mind, what characterises "extreme right wing"?