President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

The CA thing is worse for Facebook than Trump.

[pip08456]

Thanks Damien, for one swift moment I thought that CA may have had involvement with the alledged "collusion" with the Russians for not just the US election but Brexit and every other election in Europe.

I can take heart that Facebook is the only one to suffer.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Thanks Damien, for one swift moment I thought that CA may have had involvement with the alledged "collusion" with the Russians for not just the US election but Brexit and every other election in Europe.

I can take heart that Facebook is the only one to suffer.

If CA were found to have been somehow involved with the Russian state then the question would change but that's not happening here.

The CA stuff is two-fold. One if the dodgy stuff they were offering to do in the Channel 4 story. That's bad.

But the data and Facebook stuff? It's not a big deal IMO. Targeted campaigns at different demographics online is not new at all. Political campaigns have been using Facebook data to tailor a message to different voter groups for at least 5 years now. In conjunction with information polls have given you can often get a good idea of someone's political outlook from their demographic information and interests. So you send a different advert to a 60 year old man who likes Top Gear in Blackpool than the advert you send to a 19 year old woman in London who loves Harry Potter.

That happens a lot online and with considerably more sophistication than my crude example.

What CA did was use data that had been farmed from public profiles on Facebook by a third party and in-doing so broke many of Facebook's policies and might have broken rules on data protection. I don't know the legalities of that.

But the data use here was not unusual and in fact seems pretty crude compared to what other people did. The Obama campaign did the same the only difference being that users either consented to their data being used or were reached via legitimate Facebook advertising.

Doesn't seem a big deal to me. The way Facebook allows their users to live in a bubble reinforcing their own biases by only showing them stuff that agrees with their world view is worse IMO.

[pip08456]

Fortunately (IMHO) I'm not brain dead enough to use Facebook.

I rarely use it these days.

Trump tweeting more about Mueller. He's gonna fire him isn't he?

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Damien:


Trump tweeting more about Mueller. He's gonna fire him isn't he?

It's what he does.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Trump tweeting more about Mueller. He's gonna fire him isn't he?

Trump is becoming more unpredictable and IMO reckless and yes, that’s me saying this.

If he fires him, he is kissing goodbye to his Presidency. Several of his own party are warning him it will be the beginning of the end of his presidency.

He appalled me yesterday calling to congratulate Putin as did all the other world leaders who sucked up to him, this is a big FU to Britain IMO.

However, I learned from a Washington Post article that Trump WAS advised by his National Security Advisors before his call to Putin... ‘DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN’ this was in caps on the memo and that he needed to bring up the Salisbury poison attack. Well, he ignored both these and did the opposite to what he was advised to do.

I thought last week we would finally get the international community to stand up to Russia, this week we are just accepting more of the same after Putin’s re-Election and Trump has disappointed me on this issue big time.

[1andrew1]

Not proving himself the loyal friend of the UK some had believed he would turn out to be.

British steel exporters hit by ‘America First’ tariffs
President Trump fired another shot in an escalating trade dispute with Britain last night as his administration imposed punitive customs duties on imports of British steel products.

The US Department of Commerce said that it would impose anti-dumping duties of nearly 150 per cent on imports of carbon and alloy steel wire rod from Britain, which are worth $20.5 million a year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...warn-0w07tjkkb

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not proving himself the loyal friend of the UK some had believed he would turn out to be.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...warn-0w07tjkkb

Trump has place punitive duty on all steel imports from every country not just the UK.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Trump has place punitive duty on all steel imports from every country not just the UK.

Nope, he's exempted countries like Mexico and Canada.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nope, he's exempted countries like Mexico and Canada.

That’s because of NAFTA which Trump has not yet abolished. Mexico and Canada are the only other member countries.

Despite what many hoped after Trump won the presidency he is turning into an embarrassment and quite a few of my friends who were huge Trump supporters are backing off from him. The congratulating Putin thing has massively backfired on him with many American's deciding that was wrong and with it coming out he was clearly told not to do it and ignored that has only added fuel to the fire. Being honest as I've said before he doesn't want to serve a whole term as president and is constantly saying and doing stupid stuff hoping he will get kicked out of the oval office i think this whole thing was an ego trip for Trump winning it ended any serious thought he had about the presidency.

I now think it's a case of when he goes not if he goes americans will put up with a lot but if they think your turning the office of president or the country in general into a laughing stock they can be extremely aggressive in their response. Such a shame Trump had a real chance to change the political landscape in the U.S and possibly other western nations but will now be an example of how it goes bad when you don't pick the usual candidates reinforcing the established political structure the man's done more then just affect himself he's screwed a lot of people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...mp-lawyer.html

WASHINGTON — The president’s lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation, John Dowd, resigned on Thursday, according to two people briefed on the matter, days after the president called for an end to the inquiry.

Matters are getting interesting..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43506098

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Despite what many hoped after Trump won the presidency he is turning into an embarrassment and quite a few of my friends who were huge Trump supporters are backing off from him. The congratulating Putin thing has massively backfired on him with many American's deciding that was wrong and with it coming out he was clearly told not to do it and ignored that has only added fuel to the fire. Being honest as I've said before he doesn't want to serve a whole term as president and is constantly saying and doing stupid stuff hoping he will get kicked out of the oval office i think this whole thing was an ego trip for Trump winning it ended any serious thought he had about the presidency.

I now think it's a case of when he goes not if he goes americans will put up with a lot but if they think your turning the office of president or the country in general into a laughing stock they can be extremely aggressive in their response. Such a shame Trump had a real chance to change the political landscape in the U.S and possibly other western nations but will now be an example of how it goes bad when you don't pick the usual candidates reinforcing the established political structure the man's done more then just affect himself he's screwed a lot of people.

IMHO you are correct. By congratulating Putin he's screwed himself. His supporters were quite willing to believe that the accusations of collusion with Russia were nothing more than the Democrats being sore losers and clutching at straws.

With one tweet he may have stuffed himself.