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Old 03-05-2019, 08:26   #5206
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That isn't possible on most streaming apps.

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That isn't possible on most streaming apps.
That's what I thought. Has this changed recently?
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:53   #5208
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You seem to be misunderstanding demographics - at no point did I imply that 'all' high earners would take subscription services and that no low earners would. That's a ridiculous assertion, but very much a straw man argument on your part because it simply isn't what I said.

Streamers will be able to gleam so much useful information about their subscriber base, location, working pattern - even social habits and holiday habits. Is the viewer in on Friday and Saturday nights? Do they log in from Dubai, Benidorm or Blackpool when away from home?

Youtube isn't selling premium content, it's selling 'no adverts'.
Except that I did not make that assertion. I was trying to put across that while Netflix attracts more better off viewers than those less well off, they cannot be sure that they would retain those viewers if they incorporated advertising. Therefore, Netflix would be likely to lose money, not gain, from incorporating advertisements.

So if Netflix went down the advertisements route, they would need an ad free option with a subscription, which is the route All4 and the ITV Hub are taking here in the UK.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:23   #5209
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Except that I did not make that assertion. I was trying to put across that while Netflix attracts more better off viewers than those less well off, they cannot be sure that they would retain those viewers if they incorporated advertising. Therefore, Netflix would be likely to lose money, not gain, from incorporating advertisements.

So if Netflix went down the advertisements route, they would need an ad free option with a subscription, which is the route All4 and the ITV Hub are taking here in the UK.
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Not all high earners subscribe to Netflix and probably less would do so if they had to sit through hours of mindless adverts.

That is a textbook case of the straw man.

You seem to be speculating a lot in favour of your own preferred outcome. You don’t want ads on Netflix, but you’re ignoring how lucrative a revenue stream it will be for a company substantially in debt. The vast majority of people tolerate ads on subscription services as it stands - there’s no reason to expect long term delivery over the internet to be any different.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:37   #5210
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Not all high earners subscribe to Netflix and probably less would do so if they had to sit through hours of mindless adverts.

That is a textbook case of the straw man.

You seem to be speculating a lot in favour of your own preferred outcome. You don’t want ads on Netflix, but you’re ignoring how lucrative a revenue stream it will be for a company substantially in debt. The vast majority of people tolerate ads on subscription services as it stands - there’s no reason to expect long term delivery over the internet to be any different.
I know I said that, but you misrepresented what I said.

If you really believe that most people don't mind unskippable ads on their on demand services, I think you are in an extreme minority in believing that.

Have you noticed when you go to the cinema how many people turn up late to avoid the commercials?
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Literally you said:

Not all high earners subscribe to Netflix and probably less would do so if they had to sit through hours of mindless adverts.

That is a textbook case of the straw man.

You seem to be speculating a lot in favour of your own preferred outcome. You don’t want ads on Netflix, but you’re ignoring how lucrative a revenue stream it will be for a company substantially in debt. The vast majority of people tolerate ads on subscription services as it stands - there’s no reason to expect long term delivery over the internet to be any different.
A company without adverts as a part of their revenue stream is a company that will not surprise in the long run as adverts bring a lot of monetary value to a companies overall financial results at the end of each financial year.
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I know I said that, but you misrepresented what I said.

If you really believe that most people don't mind unskippable ads on their on demand services, I think you are in an extreme minority in believing that.

Have you noticed when you go to the cinema how many people turn up late to avoid the commercials?
You’re, perhaps mistakenly. assuming that the content providers will give people a choice in the matter. There’s also a huge gap between a half hour of ads (another straw man) and trailers prior to a movie and thirty or sixty seconds of ads before a television programme.

One or two extremely tailored adverts.

I think people would prefer no adverts, of course, but despite this ads remain prevalent - even on subscription television as a while. Whether it’d force people to change provider or not is another matter - especially if said provider had the most popular content.
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services

I don’t mind ads on commercial TV because that’s how the service is paid for. I hated them on Sky because not only was I paying for the service I was also being shown more ads per hour than is even allowed on public service TV. And I absolutely loathe anything unskippable on a DVD that I’ve just paid for.

I wouldn’t object to a relevant, static, side bar advert alongside my menu on Netflix or Prime but I wouldn’t be at all happy with any commercials playing before or during my programme.
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I watch an absolute maximum of 2 hours in an evening (but sometimes up to six hours on a Friday or Saturday evening when we don't go out, staying up to about 2am).

I'm very active during the day and am fairly slimline these days.

It's not about quantity, but quality.
If the programs you watch are quality, having advert breaks does not change that - albeit it is nicer not to have them.

As there will not be any linear to in your future world, companies will have to advertise on streaming - get used to it

Like them or not ads keep costs down, so not to have them means paying more!
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Old 03-05-2019, 13:19   #5215
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If the programs you watch are quality, having advert breaks does not change that - albeit it is nicer not to have them.

As there will not be any linear to in your future world, companies will have to advertise on streaming - get used to it

Like them or not ads keep costs down, so not to have them means paying more!
Yes, well I and many others would rather pay more than have the things we watch ruined by advertisements that we have no choice but to view.

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I don’t mind ads on commercial TV because that’s how the service is paid for. I hated them on Sky because not only was I paying for the service I was also being shown more ads per hour than is even allowed on public service TV. And I absolutely loathe anything unskippable on a DVD that I’ve just paid for.

I wouldn’t object to a relevant, static, side bar advert alongside my menu on Netflix or Prime but I wouldn’t be at all happy with any commercials playing before or during my programme.
I don't mind them on commercial TV simply because I can fast forward through them. You can't do that with the streamers.

Like you, I would not object if ads were introduced only on the menus.

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A company without adverts as a part of their revenue stream is a company that will not surprise in the long run as adverts bring a lot of monetary value to a companies overall financial results at the end of each financial year.
And that's fine, provided there is a non-advert subscription option.
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No - the apps adverts if anything are getting more strict.

You can not FF thru them and now not even past them on some apps.

So for some, if there is an ad break at 20 minutes and you skip straight to 25 minutes - you get the adbreak from the 20 minutes position before it plays from your selection.

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All this about advertisements seems to me to support the current practice of recording your preferences off linear TV and then fast forwarding through the bits you don't want
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services

Discovery looks like the next streaming service to be ready to go. No word yet about when it will become a global service, although I would have thought this would follow within a year of being launched in the US.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...svod-platform/

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That's what we do now. You can't do that with streaming services containing commercials, though.
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A global service within a year is highly unlikely given there will be carriage deals in place already for many of the counties around he world.
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A global service within a year is highly unlikely given there will be carriage deals in place already for many of the counties around he world.
That depends on how many of those carriage deals remain in place and how much material Discovery possesses which will not be covered by such deals in a couple of years' time.

You will be aware that Netflix in the US has a bigger library than we have access to in the UK simply because a proportion of that content is not for showing in the UK. Given that carriage deals typically last 4 or 5 years and that Discovery would have been planning this for a while, I would be surprised if such rights were much of an issue by 2021.
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