Election 2019 - Week 5

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So you are quite happy to vote for a terrorist sympathiser and Marxist Communist who likes to give the impression that he's had to sit on the floor of a train due to capitalist over-crowding (when there are plenty of seats available); who likes to dig up 'dossiers' to prove his conspiracy theories when there are none (like his alleged sale of the NHS, which he has weaponised nicely); who claims that austerity was an ideological choice and we should have borrowed our way out of bankruptcy (despite the obvious fact that anyone with a grain of intelligence knows is potty, and with every intention of getting us where we would have been had he been in charge in double quick time with his wishlist of unachievable policies); etc, etc, etc.

Well good luck with that reasoning. Fortunately, even life-long Labour supporters have seen through his nonsense and will not be voting for their party while he is Leader. Sad to see that you have lost your way in all this fog.[ that with Momentum's help, we might get someone even worse.

If the nhs is so safe why does it say in those dossiers not to refer to it by name? There's nothing wrong with borrowing if it's spent on infrastructure that generates money, especially when you can borrow it at such historically low rates of interest. So yes if voting labour means an end to the politics we have witnessed over the last ten years or so then yes I'll consider breaking the habit of a lifetime and vote for them.

Originally Posted by Chris

This is what social media does for you. Forces everyone into tribes where opinions are echoed, reinforced and presented as self-evident via trite memes.

Social media has certainly made it worse. It's creates a really warped sense of reality that anything that runs counter to it cannot be comprehended.

It's just the volume of it is turned up to the max right. I cannot stand another earnest plea from Facebook or Twitter posts about the important of voting, or voting Labour, or voting Tory, or voting Lib Dem or Brexit. Everyone tweeting to other other about how righteous they are.

Ah well, at least the good news is that whatever the result is tomorrow, we'll all accept it in good grace, and move on with our lives...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah well, at least the good news is that whatever the result is tomorrow, we'll all accept it in good grace, and move on with our lives...

It would indeed be nice if we could do that. But if Corbyn becomes PM, then we'll be back to a hard 52:48 situation.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If the nhs is so safe why does it say in those dossiers not to refer to it by name? There's nothing wrong with borrowing if it's spent on infrastructure that generates money, especially when you can borrow it at such historically low rates of interest. So yes if voting labour means an end to the politics we have witnessed over the last ten years or so then yes I'll consider breaking the habit of a lifetime and vote for them.

I haven't seen the documents, but I did witness reporters questioning the claims Corbyn was making. They said that in all the 400+ pages it only mentioned the NHS four times and that there was no mention of privatisation. But Corbyn doesn't care. He knows that if you throw enough mud around, some of it will stick. You seem to have proved that in your conversion.

Why you have only just discovered that people lie, I cannot fathom. Where have you been locked away from the real world all these years? And how does voting for Corbyn solve anything? Of course, if chaos, anarchy and the destruction of our way of life is what you want to see, you are going the right way about it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah well, at least the good news is that whatever the result is tomorrow, we'll all accept it in good grace, and move on with our lives...

Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah well, at least the good news is that whatever the result is tomorrow, we'll all accept it in good grace, and move on with our lives...

Corbyn, Sturgeon (and her followers), Swinson and Lucas will still be droning on, I'm afraid. The good thing will be that they won't be able to continue to paralyse Parliament if Boris gets his majority.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

The outrage will be turned up to 11 in Scotland, I can tell you that much. I really, really hope the Tories hold on to their 13 seats, that will at least take a slight edge off the nationalist fulminating. All the better if they can steal a couple more ... Pete Wishart (Nat) is sitting on a knife-edge majority in Perth, so who knows. Mind you Stephen Kerr (Tory) is on an equally small majority in Stirling. Too much is too close to call.

I'm really looking forward to the Welsh results, Plaid, hapless Welsh Labour and Corbyn between them have almost managed to produce a Tory majority in national polling there. If any of the former heavy industrial constituencies in the north east of Wales go blue I will absolutely gut myself laughing.

When it comes to it though, in Parliament, as long as Boris has a working majority large enough that it can't be overturned by a core of rebels, things should settle down fairly quickly. Labour will be in absolute disarray; most of its backbenchers are still moderates and their patience with Corbyn has already run out, so they will be too busy plotting his downfall to cause much trouble elsewhere.

If, however, Boris gets a single-figures majority, so those predisposed to mischief think they hold the whip hand in Commons votes, Brexit will still be a bumpy ride, regardless of what commitments Boris thinks he's extracted from all his candidates.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

So the 2017 General Election didn’t return a democratic result?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

It won't go down well with people who don't like him but there isn't going to be a coup or anything. Democracy will be fine. People protesting, arguing and so on is part of Democracy. I doubt in the unlikely event Corbyn is Prime Minister on Friday that he won't also face substantial opposition.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So the 2017 General Election didn’t return a democratic result?

Was more referring to the referendum, but you knew that.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Was more referring to the referendum, but you knew that.

But you ignored the 2017 election results - but you knew that...

CF’ers may find this of interest.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/c...433110/Timings

[papa smurf]

Just been and voted,had to fight my way past all the young voters

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Just been and voted,had to fight my way past all the young voters

Give them a chance, they still need to crawl out of bed and stagger down to their local artisan coffee house for a vegan soya latte and mashed avocado. Once they’re properly awake they’ll share a few snarky memes via the social media channel of the moment, then decide that ought to be accepted as their act of political engagement, and head to the student union bar. Three shots for a fiver tonight, election night special.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

Many people keep saying this, but the simple fact is democracy hasn't been ignored. This is the way that a democracy works.

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