Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Such a shame you have to resort to a personal attack rather than debate the obvious issue that the Scots dislike the English.

To answer the proposition you introduced, no, my mother in law despised the English and made no bones about it.

However many times I tried to endear myself to her, nothing really worked. I don’t think we will ever gain the friendship of the Scots. But for their own sakes, I hope they will at least accept we are better united than as competitors.

Strongly agree.

However, as we possibly approach a 48/52 situation, the Scots can't be written off in totality as non-friends. It's all much of a rugby match as I explained in an earlier post.

As for your mother-in-law .....

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Strongly agree.

However, as we possibly approach a 48/52 situation, the Scots can't be written off in totality as non-friends. It's all much of a rugby match as I explained in an earlier post.

As for your mother-in-law .....

Quite!

Seriously ... stop embarrassing yourselves. Even if there’s eventually a referendum, and even if the Scottish electorate votes to leave the UK, that doesn’t make every leave voter an enemy, or a “non-friend”. I know plenty of people who voted Yes in 2014. A good number of them are English. For most yessers, it’s about their belief that Scotland’s economy and society are sufficiently distinct from England that they ought to be managed separately. I don’t have to agree with them to respect that as a reasonable constitutional position.

It isn’t all about you, and you sitting here pontificating like this just sounds a bit ridiculous and egotistical.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

Seriously ... stop embarrassing yourselves. Even if there’s eventually a referendum, and even if the Scottish electorate votes to leave the UK, that doesn’t make every leave voter an enemy, or a “non-friend”. I know plenty of people who voted Yes in 2014. A good number of them are English. For most yessers, it’s about their belief that Scotland’s economy and society are sufficiently distinct from England that they ought to be managed separately. I don’t have to agree with them to respect that as a reasonable constitutional position.

It isn’t all about you, and you sitting here pontificating like this just sounds a bit ridiculous and egotistical.

If Scotland votes to leave the UK, that is the end for Scotland.

The rest of the UK will be better off. So should we care?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If Scotland votes to leave the UK, that is the end for Scotland.

The rest of the UK will be better off. So should we care?

Evidently you do.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Evidently you do.

Old Boy's another one disinterested in a topic that he posts a lot on.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Old Boy's another one disinterested in a topic that he posts a lot on.

Why are you so judgmental about OB? I post a lot of sod 'ems in various "exit" topics but you haven't yet accused me of being disinterested.
OB's view on Scotland is perfectly valid, especially that it has insufficient economic prospects to go it alone.

The Guvmin will be doing a favour those ignoramuses who are spellbound by the wicked-witch of the Scots by denying another referendum for a generation.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Such a shame you have to resort to a personal attack rather than debate the obvious issue that the Scots dislike the English.

To answer the proposition you introduced, no, my mother in law despised the English and made no bones about it.

However many times I tried to endear myself to her, nothing really worked. I don’t think we will ever gain the friendship of the Scots. But for their own sakes, I hope they will at least accept we are better united than as competitors.

It was a joke...

What’s this ‘we’ ordure?

Lots of Scots like lots of English, what people don’t like is the lazy stereotyping of entire nations, and people who insist their unfortunately personal experience is actuality for everyone.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was a joke...

You should have learned not to try jokes on here Hugh.
They're not welcome or understood.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Why are you so judgmental about OB? I post a lot of sod 'ems in various "exit" topics but you haven't yet accused me of being disinterested.
OB's view on Scotland is perfectly valid, especially that it has insufficient economic prospects to go it alone.

The Guvmin will be doing a favour those ignoramuses who are spellbound by the wicked-witch of the Scots by denying another referendum for a generation.

Yet OB as, perhaps inadvertently, one of the most economically right wing members of the forum knows the answer to all of Scotland's problems. Lower taxes to induce capital flight from neighbouring countries.

Think Corbyn winning in reverse. Piece of cake.

He can't successfully reconcile any view on Scottish independence with his own, shall we say lax, economic views.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was a joke...

What’s this ‘we’ ordure?

Lots of Scots like lots of English, what people don’t like is the lazy stereotyping of entire nations, and people who insist their unfortunately personal experience is actuality for everyone.

So not a joke then.

I didn't read that OB was stereotyping the entire Scots nation. We can all read in what is meant - those idiots who blindly want independence. All that Sturgeon wants is to walk the halls of European power, like Cameron wanted to keep. Some politicians are baddies.

[Hom3r]

My nieces girlfriend was a young lady from Glasgow, after a year she got a job at Thomas Cook and was based near our town, she temporarily moved in to my sisters until she got the deposit to rent a room.


I got on with her as she was a Queen fan, Several times her mum would stay (this was before she got her own room.)


We often spoke about Scottish independence and both didn't want it.


Sadly they spilt and she moved on and lives in Kent.

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was a joke...

What’s this ‘we’ ordure?

Lots of Scots like lots of English, what people don’t like is the lazy stereotyping of entire nations, and people who insist their unfortunately personal experience is actuality for everyone.

Whaaaaa, assuming one’s own personal experiences are actually universal? Surely OB would never ever do such a thing.

Seriously though, for someone to think they understand an entire nation based on a dysfunctional relationship within their own family is pretty extreme.

Two of my grandparents-in-law were raving separatists but we used to be able to get past it (if the subject ever came up I’d tell them it’s England’s oil, and they’d just get preoccupied with maritime boundaries until the conversation moved on).

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So not a joke then.

I didn't read that OB was stereotyping the entire Scots nation. We can all read in what is meant - those idiots who blindly want independence. All that Sturgeon wants is to walk the halls of European power, like Cameron wanted to keep. Some politicians are baddies.

The joke was about his M-i-L not detesting the English in general, but only a specific English person...

This sounds pretty much stereotyping the entire Scots nation...

Yes, I agree the motivation for the Scots is hatred of the English. However, they are also careful with their money - they are renowned for it.

the obvious issue that the Scots dislike the English.

I used to think the Scots were a canny lot. Now I’m not so sure.

[jfman]

Fundamentally, I take Old Boy's input as completely insincere.

One only has to look at every single post where he's set up his signature to inform us using the user title

Just shield those at risk

and until recently the post signature to tell us that on demand will replace linear television. A subject close to his heart until you ask him to define 'linear'.

Almost nobody believes he is sincerely engaging in either debate so when brings his British nationalism for a brief sojourn into the Scotland thread to tell us what's good for us forgive me if I'm sceptical he has Scotland's best interests at heart.