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Old 19-03-2020, 09:42   #3031
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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In fairness it's not like if they announced it last week, or next week, it'd be any further up the running order. The news cycle is full of Coronavirus and the Scottish Government are taking a reasonable action at a reasonable time.
Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.
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Old 19-03-2020, 10:51   #3032
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Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.
I'm not disputing that this crisis is more important or that it has got them out of a hole. Just "a good day to bury bad news" implies they're somehow being devious about it or attempting to be selective about their timing.

Everyone but the most extreme pro independence person would accept this is the right thing to do at the right time. And as you rightly point out - will allow the appetite of the Scottish public to be tested in the Scottish Parliament elections.
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Old 30-07-2020, 17:37   #3033
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Jackson Carlaw quits as Scottish Conservative leader.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...om3=%40BBCNews

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Mr Carlaw said he did not believe he was the best person to lead the case for Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom.

And he said he had therefore decided to stand down with immediate effect.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I hope they get somehow strong enough to put NS in her place, We all don't want Independence in Scotland,
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Old 30-07-2020, 19:36   #3035
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Jackson Carlaw quits as Scottish Conservative leader.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...om3=%40BBCNews
Who would want to be a Scottish Tory leader trying to justify Brexit and Dominic Cummings' eyesight tests to a sceptical Scottish audience?
Sadly for the Scottish Conservative Party, it lost a rare electoral asset when Ruth Davidson stepped down as leader.
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Old 31-07-2020, 00:40   #3036
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Ruth D was one of the best to stand up to N S, I just hope they get someone who can stop the separation of the United Kingdom, I don't care if it is Tory, Labour or the Queen of Sheba,
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The unionist parties in Scotland are all falling into the same trap.

None offer a compelling or progressive alternative vision for Scotland. They struggle to “sell” the Union to the electorate. All they offer is negativity and fear. The Conservatives are doing slightly better than Labour at getting the orange vote.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland had it's once in a life-time vote, and they voted to stay.

If they did leave, how are they going to pay for the roads and free prescriptions with fewer people in a country than live in London
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland had it's once in a life-time vote, and they voted to stay.

If they did leave, how are they going to pay for the roads and free prescriptions with fewer people in a country than live in London
It's about the romantic notion of sovereignty rather than sound economics.
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It's about the romantic notion of sovereignty rather than sound economics.
No the nats hate the English.
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No the nats hate the English.
Nah - just the politicians and the anti-Scots bigots...
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Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.

Spot on, Chris, the SNP have one goal and one goal only, they need to get on with the day job, their tunnel vision for independence knows no bounds, Sturgeon is a sleekit little bitch, they are definitely using the Covid crisis to further their ambiton of a free Scotland, they forget to remember that 60% of their trade is with England, the education system in Scotland used to be one of the top performers world wide, its about third from bottom now, same with the NHS it's a complete mess!
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.

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“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.
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“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.
Any Brexiter should be able to endorse your statement that trade isn't a good reason to prevent self-government, not just our esteemed Wokingham contributor.
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