Brexit (Old)

[1andrew1]

It's Britain's biggest car manufacturer employing 40,000 people in this great country of ours and supports a further 300,000 people. A great British success story, exporting all around the world. Fantastic brand names and a strong heritage and owned by a company based in a Brexiter's favourite country for a deal., India
What did that company say about a hard Brexit today?

Britain’s biggest carmaker, Jaguar Land Rover, warned that a hard Brexit would cost £1.2bn a year in trade tariffs and make it unprofitable to remain in the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/d077afaa-...5-50daf11b720d

To those gathering at Chequers on Friday, if you see this by any slim chance, I urge you to think of those impacted by your decisions.

[Mr K]

How much time, money and utter division of the country is this all causing ?? The Govt. don't seem to be doing anything else, and are failing on the one thing they are trying to do ! Worth it ?

There's going to be a lot of disappointed and misled people in a few years time.... Those extremely affluent Brexiteers that caused this mess will be mostly unaffected.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's Britain's biggest car manufacturer employing 40,000 people in this great country of ours and supports a further 300,000 people. A great British success story, exporting all around the world. Fantastic brand names and a strong heritage and owned by a company based in a Brexiter's favourite country for a deal., India
What did that company say about a hard Brexit today?

https://www.ft.com/content/d077afaa-...5-50daf11b720d

To those gathering at Chequers on Friday, if you see this by any slim chance, I urge you to think of those impacted by your decisions.

they will still ignore any evidence as they always do Andrew

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

they will still ignore any evidence as they always do Andrew

Let's see what Friday, brings Dave. I suspect knowing Theresa May, it will just be a case of her trying to kick the tin can down the road a little while longer rather than stick up for British business.
We'll see...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's Britain's biggest car manufacturer employing 40,000 people in this great country of ours and supports a further 300,000 people. A great British success story, exporting all around the world. Fantastic brand names and a strong heritage and owned by a company based in a Brexiter's favourite country for a deal., India
What did that company say about a hard Brexit today?

https://www.ft.com/content/d077afaa-...5-50daf11b720d

Would this be the same Company that dumped Corus (British Steel) after buying them and 'stealing' the technology required to improve their steel plants in India? Surely you remember the anguish caused by that

Jaguar, owned by Tata . . . Jaguar, the prestige car that turned into a Mondeo chassis under a Jaguar shell

Have a look at the 'products' owned by the Great Tata Corporation, you may see a few surprises in there

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Would this be the same Company that dumped Corus (British Steel) after buying them and 'stealing' the technology required to improve their steel plants in India? Surely you remember the anguish caused by that

Jaguar, owned by Tata . . . Jaguar, the prestige car that turned into a Mondeo chassis under a Jaguar shell

Have a look at the 'products' owned by the Great Tata Corporation, you may see a few surprises in there

How can you steal the technology if you own it?
Corus has not been dumped, it became Tata Steel in 2009 and in 2018 agreed to merge with Thyssen Krupp Steel.
Jaguar and LandRover are two great British car brands. No amount of mud-throwing will take that away from us. And hopefully, a sensible pro-jobs Brexit won't either.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How can you steal the technology if you own it?
Tata Steel has not been dumped, it's merged with Thyssen Krupp Steel.
Jaguar and LandRover are two great British car brands. No amount of mud-throwing will take that away from us. And hopefully a sensible pro-jobs Brexit won't either.

Is that it?

Stolen . . . probably not the correct word, but you know what I meant

Tata were dumped? Did you not see the news down south? It was in all the papers I'm sure, the long drawn out negotiations to prevent closure of most of the steel making plants.

Jaguar and LandRover were two great British car brands, now they're average.

And please desist from calling foreign owned companies British

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Is that it?

Stolen . . . probably not the correct word, but you know what I meant

Tata were dumped? Did you not see the news down south? It was in all the papers I'm sure, the long drawn out negotiations to prevent closure of most of the steel making plants.

Jaguar and LandRover were two great British car brands, now they're average.

And please desist from calling foreign owned companies British

I don't know what you meant. Maybe some conspiracy theory promoted by a St Petersburgh-run social media site? If it's true and controversial, do provide a link.

Has Tata Steel bought, opened, closed and sold steel plants in the UK and other countries? Yes, that's what companies do; it's capitalism.

Because you have a different definition of what makes a British car brand than others doesn't mean you can impose your will over everyone else. We're not in North Korea and you're not Kim Jong-un. At least, I hope not, or my life expectancy has just been considerably shortened!

[Carth]

oh well they were right . . . bye

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh well they were right . . . bye

Time to look to the future and get behind great companies like Jaguar LandRover who produced a long-distance electric car, the I-Pace, before its competitors BMW, Mercedes or Audi. And not to look backwards to grievances in the past from related companies that we cannot change.

[Sephiroth]

Here's an interesting conundrum from the EU Withdrawal Act:

10 Continuation of North-South co-operation and the prevention of new border arrangements

(1) In exercising any of the powers under this Act, a Minister of the Crown or devolved authority must—

(a) act in a way that is compatible with the terms of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, and

(b) have due regard to the joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.

(2) Nothing in section 8, 9 or 23(1) or (6) of this Act authorises regulations which—

(a) diminish any form of North-South cooperation provided for by the Belfast Agreement (as defined by section 98 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998), or

(b) create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Here's an interesting conundrum from the EU Withdrawal Act:

10 Continuation of North-South co-operation and the prevention of new border arrangements

(1) In exercising any of the powers under this Act, a Minister of the Crown or devolved authority must—

(a) act in a way that is compatible with the terms of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, and

(b) have due regard to the joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.

(2) Nothing in section 8, 9 or 23(1) or (6) of this Act authorises regulations which—

(a) diminish any form of North-South cooperation provided for by the Belfast Agreement (as defined by section 98 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998), or

(b) create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU.

Good find! Section 10.1.d phrase 'due regard' means nothing really - lots of wriggle room there!

Section 10.2.b is definitely a conundrum as you say - no border posts, cameras, etc.

[Sephiroth]

I think the get-out may be that if the UK sticks stuff onto the border before exit day ….

Of course the Act cannot constrain the EU from putting stuff up on their side.

[ianch99]

In the latest development, the man who has to sell the “best of both worlds” plan that Mrs May is cooking up, says that he can't sell it

David Davis says May's new Brexit customs plan is unworkable

Davis 'tells May customs plan is unworkable' on eve of crunch Brexit meeting

Oh dear ..

[Sephiroth]

The incompetence of my guvmin is shocking. On a democratic basis, if there was to be no second referendum, one would have wanted the outcome to suit the Referendum result.

There is no doubt in my mind nor any Brexit supporters to whom I have spoken that leaving all the EU institutions is what Brexit means. Now the NI border outcome is enshrined in law and so the guvmin is unable to deliver Brexit - even if the EU were to stop saying "no".

I also have to say that Parliament is an unedifying spectacle. The main Opposition instead of mocking, should be helping; the Conservatives instead of entrenching, should back the Referendum result. I can't see a parliamentary way out of this even if May is toppled unless we hold a second Referendum.

Much as I hate the Brussels lot, I'd be almost as happy staying in and using picador sticks to keep them honest and keep the derogations we currently have.

Btw, I was never against EU freedom of movement. But I am totally against the EU Parliament having sovereignty over ours, which is the current EU policy of "ever closer union". An inner and outer EU wouldn't be a bad solution.

We're in a very difficult position. Brexit cannot now be delivered. A pity.