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Old 26-05-2022, 16:39   #511
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Re: Freeview changes

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So, based on the link you eventually provided, what you have said here is extremely misleading.

First of all, what has been reported is an aspiration, at some point in the future, to close BBC4 and CBBC as broadcast channels and operate them as streaming-only brands, much the same as they did at BBC3 until earlier this year. Iíd say the fact they were forced to reverse that streaming-only venture with BBC3 because they lost so many viewers tells us something about how many years off this is still likely to be.

Second, this isnít about Freeview; if/when they eventually do it it will mean the end of all broadcast of BBC4 and CBBC, i.e. Freesat, Sky, Virgin and even the broadcast stream via iPlayer.

But apart from all that, yeah Ö
The last two lines was just my own view.
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Old 26-05-2022, 16:57   #512
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Re: Freeview changes

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BBC to axe BBC4, CBBC and BBC Radio 4 Extra on Freeview.

-CBeebies HD can now stay on Freeview - using CBBC HD slot.
-Will BBC 4 and CBBC closing mean all BBC Radio channels can still broadcast on Freeview when BBC ALBA is on air?
Interesting. I wonder how much they will save by taking the TV channels onto streaming only. I thought the cost of keeping the linear services operating alongside streaming alternatives was just buttons.

Maybe I dreamt that…
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:08   #513
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Interesting. I wonder how much they will save by taking the TV channels onto streaming only. I thought the cost of keeping the linear services operating alongside streaming alternatives was just buttons.

Maybe I dreamt that…
Taking a TV Channel online-only is only a genuine thing if there is a commissioning/original programming budget. BBC4, if it is genuinely going to be 100% archive content only, is basically closed if it's online-only. A tab on an app is not a channel if there's no original content. Same with Radio 4 Extra when it comes to Radio.

CBBC, since there will be new content, can be considered as moving online.

I suspect some people (I don't mean you Old Boy) reading the news will interpret them moving online as them still being linear, because of the wording, and since they weren't in the demographic for BBC3, when that happened to it, they won't understand that it doesn't mean that.
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:27   #514
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Taking a TV Channel online-only is only a genuine thing if there is a commissioning/original programming budget. BBC4, if it is genuinely going to be 100% archive content only, is basically closed if it's online-only. A tab on an app is not a channel if there's no original content. Same with Radio 4 Extra when it comes to Radio.

CBBC, since there will be new content, can be considered as moving online.

I suspect some people (I don't mean you Old Boy) reading the news will interpret them moving online as them still being linear, because of the wording, and since they weren't in the demographic for BBC3, when that happened to it, they won't understand that it doesn't mean that.
I still to see #savebbc4, #savecbbcchannel or #saver4extra on Twitter yet.
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Old 26-05-2022, 20:24   #515
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Re: The future of television

The slow death knell for linear television continues apace as the BBC (who have been burned by this nonsense before) say that BBC Four and CBBC will go on demand only… in three years.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a40115...annels-closed/

There is a glaring contradiction in there though:

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I still to see #savebbc4, #savecbbcchannel or #saver4extra on Twitter yet.
I've seen plenty tweets, they just aren't using those hashtags. In fact many aren't using any hashtags. I don't navigate Twitter using them, except on a rare occasion, so I wouldn't read too much into it, especially with so many other things going on at the moment.

Even though BBC4 and Radio4 Extra are what I use, I think CBBC is, by far, the most important of the 3 service. I hope they restore the weekday afternoons CBBC on BBC1 or BBC2 if this closure goes ahead, to reach those who on-demand services won't reach and reduce repeats.
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Old 26-05-2022, 20:49   #517
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Re: The future of television

This plan sets them on a path to chopping off the bits nobody will miss, nothing more. BBC Four was always hard to fathom because the BBC’s arts output was already well catered for across BBC1 & 2, depending on budget and intended audience. Even now, Imagine is commissioned by BBC1 presumably because there’s no way in hell Yentob would ever admit he’s making a niche product. Attenborough and Cox likewise have such high price tags only BBC1 can justify making them.

CBBC is a lost cause because kids that age don’t watch TV designed for their age group any more. If our family experience is in any way typical they’ll watch a couple of family/adult-ish things with us, usually early evening, but then it’s off to TikTok. If they watch TV later in the evening it’s something like Derry Girls on channel 4, which is aimed a little older than them but is frankly exactly the sort of thing I’d have been watching on BBC2 or channel 4 at their age.

I can see the BBC continuing to make original children’s programmes out of PSB obligation but at the same time I won’t be at all surprised if one or two of their flagship productions - like Blue Peter - make a return to late afternoon on BBC1. But it’s hard to see a future for BBC4 as anything more than branding for arts and documentary box-sets.
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Re: The future of television

In fairness to OB one of his predictions seems to be correct.
Hulu is offering full access, ad supported for $1 a month for 3 months. How long will it be before other streamers follow suit or will they?
I'm sure if Hulu see their revnue increase they may try it again for longer periods.

https://www.techadvisor.com/news/ent...-deal-3779153/
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This plan sets them on a path to chopping off the bits nobody will miss, nothing more. BBC Four was always hard to fathom because the BBCís arts output was already well catered for across BBC1 & 2, depending on budget and intended audience. Even now, Imagine is commissioned by BBC1 presumably because thereís no way in hell Yentob would ever admit heís making a niche product. Attenborough and Cox likewise have such high price tags only BBC1 can justify making them.

CBBC is a lost cause because kids that age donít watch TV designed for their age group any more. If our family experience is in any way typical theyíll watch a couple of family/adult-ish things with us, usually early evening, but then itís off to TikTok. If they watch TV later in the evening itís something like Derry Girls on channel 4, which is aimed a little older than them but is frankly exactly the sort of thing Iíd have been watching on BBC2 or channel 4 at their age.

I can see the BBC continuing to make original childrenís programmes out of PSB obligation but at the same time I wonít be at all surprised if one or two of their flagship productions - like Blue Peter - make a return to late afternoon on BBC1. But itís hard to see a future for BBC4 as anything more than branding for arts and documentary box-sets.
I hope BBC start broadcasting some of BBC 4 shows to stop using BBC News every weekday to use up time on BBC 2.
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Re: The future of television

It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...
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It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...

Agreed again, was thinking exactly the same. Much as I enjoy BBC4 I'm not really sure I can be bothered firing the app up to stream it.
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It is bizarre to put BBC3 on linear, and BBC4 online. The demographic of the audiences are the opposite of that...
If I didnít believe that the Beeb was neutral I could believe that they were making a political point.
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If I didnít believe that the Beeb was neutral I could believe that they were making a political point.
What political point would that be? After all, the future of TV is on demand over IP, so surely you conclude the audiences of BBC4 and CBBC are the most favoured to be getting this treatment?

Yet itís almost as if you think putting these channels on a VOD-only platform is some sort of punishment.
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What political point would that be? After all, the future of TV is on demand over IP, so surely you conclude the audiences of BBC4 and CBBC are the most favoured to be getting this treatment?

Yet itís almost as if you think putting these channels on a VOD-only platform is some sort of punishment.
No - where did you get that idea?

I said before that putting BBC3 alone online was not the brightest idea the Beeb ever had. It should be all or nothing. Thatís why Disney ceased to allow its material to be available on TV channels in favour of the streamer.

But it is a pretty wacky idea for them to bring back BBC3, a young personís channel, because of disappointing viewing figures, and then putting a channel predominantly aimed at older viewers, to on line only.

One wonders who the hell is making these decisions if they are not being made simply to have a go at the government.
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No - where did you get that idea?

I said before that putting BBC3 alone online was not the brightest idea the Beeb ever had. It should be all or nothing. That’s why Disney ceased to allow its material to be available on TV channels in favour of the streamer.

But it is a pretty wacky idea for them to bring back BBC3, a young person’s channel, because of disappointing viewing figures, and then putting a channel predominantly aimed at older viewers, to on line only.

One wonders who the hell is making these decisions if they are not being made simply to have a go at the government.
A fundamental misunderstanding of the broadcasting market in that the point is to be seen!

BBC4 is essentially being closed under the guise of being innovative.
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