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Old 14-06-2022, 00:01   #4126
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Old 16-06-2022, 12:44   #4127
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Re: Britain outside the EU

Lack of EU workers is proving problematical. We've heard about farming. Now it's the turn of travel and broadband.

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Boris' 'Brexit rules' to blame for airport disruption - 'Not enough EU workers in the UK'

Speaking to Times Radio, he [Paul Charles, former Virgin Atlantic and Eurostar director] pinpointed the issue: "Well, one of the big failings, I’m afraid, is the government not letting enough European workers into the UK.

"Our analysis shows that nearly a third of jobs in the travel industry in this country are traditionally filled by European workers. And of course, since Brexit, those rules have changed, which have prevented European workers coming in, in the main, to work in the industry.

"So, that’s why it’s struggling. It can’t find enough workers from overseas as well as in the UK."

Mr Charles continued: "And I appreciate, absolutely, the industry is not always paying well enough. The wages are not high enough, the baggage handlers or security processes. And the industry has got to take a good, long, hard look at that.

"But fundamentally, government rules not only during the pandemic, but since Brexit, have disabled the sector. They really haven’t helped the sector at all to recover."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...workers-uk/amp

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BT executive says Brexit is slowing superfast broadband rollout

Openreach head hits out at ‘tortuous’ process of hiring skilled workers from the EU

Clive Selley, chief executive of BT’s Openreach, the division leading the rollout of fibre optic networks to homes, said countries such as Portugal and Spain have plenty of people with the necessary skills to accelerate the delivery of superfast broadband.

“They want the work, we want the skills and the Home Office have a process that is tortuous,” Selley said in an interview. “We are constraining the rate of fibre build in the UK through the process.”

“If it was easier getting people in, I would take a thousand tomorrow,” he said, referring to contractors rather than full-time staff. Portugal and Spain have the skilled labour required because the countries are close to finishing their rollout, he added.

The delivery of superfast broadband is central to the Conservative government’s pledge to bridge the digital divide and level up the economy. Its last manifesto outlined plans to deliver “full fibre and gigabit-capable broadband to every home and business across the UK by 2025”.
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Old 16-06-2022, 17:12   #4128
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Lack of EU workers is proving problematical. We've heard about farming. Now it's the turn of travel and broadband.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...workers-uk/amp


https://www.ft.com/content/6038500d-...e-d884a6fcc907
I work in the telecoms sector and I call bullshit from BT on this one. That’s pure deflection from BT on the failure to build rurally - because there’s no money in it.
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Old 19-06-2022, 13:07   #4129
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Lack of EU workers is proving problematical. We've heard about farming. Now it's the turn of travel and broadband.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...workers-uk/amp


https://www.ft.com/content/6038500d-...e-d884a6fcc907
Don’t worry, Andrew. When the new trade agreement with India is signed, we’ll get our overseas labour from there.
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Old 19-06-2022, 13:52   #4130
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Don’t worry, Andrew. When the new trade agreement with India is signed, we’ll get our overseas labour from there.
Do you really think that we'll be signing a trade deal with Putin's chums in the near future? You must clearly be joking!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/92303530.cms
https://theprint.in/opinion/buying-r...-hands/998913/
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Do you really think that we'll be signing a trade deal with Putin's chums in the near future? You must clearly be joking!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/92303530.cms
https://theprint.in/opinion/buying-r...-hands/998913/
If we expect all our trading partners to be squeaky clean, we won’t be able to trade with anyone.
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Old 19-06-2022, 14:57   #4132
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If we expect all our trading partners to be squeaky clean, we won’t be able to trade with anyone.
It appears you're suggesting that we sign a trade deal with a country dependent on Russia both for its defence infrastructure and energy. Not that there's any such trade deal waiting to be signed, of course!

How well do you think this would sit with our allies, particularly Zelensky who Johnson calls every time he's in political trouble.
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If we expect all our trading partners to be squeaky clean, we won’t be able to trade with anyone.
of course UK dont care about them being squeaky clean just look with our arms deal with one of the most vile counties in the world in Saudi that is just one example

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of course UK dont care about them being squeaky clean just look with our arms deal with one of the most vile counties in the world in Saudi that is just one example
Nonsensical one sided rubbish from you as usual, given many EU member states still paying billions in to Russia, for its gas. You’re always conveniently forgetting the whole picture Dave42.
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it all bad for Eu to get gas from Russia but all good for tories to get Russian money and make a former KGB agent son a lord right
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it all bad for Eu to get gas from Russia but all good for tories to get Russian money and make a former KGB agent son a lord right
Yeah because Labour have never done that right?

Wrong!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...russian-riches

Your precious Labour just as bad.
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Yeah because Labour have never done that right?

Wrong!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...russian-riches

Your precious Labour just as bad.
Justifying immoral. unethical or potentially criminal behaviour with

‘Well, if they’ve done it, it’s ok for us to do it too.’

No the wonder that all of our political parties aren’t worth tuppence ha’penny

Seems to be a view spreading further into wider society as well
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Justifying immoral. unethical or potentially criminal behaviour with

‘Well, if they’ve done it, it’s ok for us to do it too.’

No the wonder that all of our political parties aren’t worth tuppence ha’penny

Seems to be a view spreading further into wider society as well
I think it's also important to draw a distinction before and after key revelatory events like the invasion of Crimea and Donbas in 2014 and the Salisbury Novichock poisonings in 2018.

Trade with Russia and donations from Russian entities was increasingly cynical since 2018's poisonings which left few in doubt about Russia's way of working.
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Justifying immoral. unethical or potentially criminal behaviour with

‘Well, if they’ve done it, it’s ok for us to do it too.’

No the wonder that all of our political parties aren’t worth tuppence ha’penny

Seems to be a view spreading further into wider society as well
It’s not about that, it’s about certain folk like you, always portraying one side as bad, when the full picture is both sides are just as bad, but the real crux of this issue, you and certain others, can’t stomach that your precious Labour Party is just as corrupt.
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It’s not about that, it’s about certain folk like you, always portraying one side as bad, when the full picture is both sides are just as bad, but the real crux of this issue, you and certain others, can’t stomach that your precious Labour Party is just as corrupt.
Certain people like me portraying one side as bad ? When the post you’ve just quoted references ALL parties ?

The same me who said that if found guilty Starmer & Rayner should be gone?

PS I’m not a staunch Labour voter, I’ve voted for them once in my entire life
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