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Old 01-06-2022, 17:06   #526
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No - where did you get that idea?

I said before that putting BBC3 alone online was not the brightest idea the Beeb ever had. It should be all or nothing. Thatís why Disney ceased to allow its material to be available on TV channels in favour of the streamer.

But it is a pretty wacky idea for them to bring back BBC3, a young personís channel, because of disappointing viewing figures, and then putting a channel predominantly aimed at older viewers, to on line only.

One wonders who the hell is making these decisions if they are not being made simply to have a go at the government.
I think the BBC is constrained from acting like Disney because it's a PSB. I think those without broadband or without good quality broadband would be unhappy to pay a licence fee without the guarantee of reliable access outside a web-based platform.

As regards BBC 3, I get the irony here but due to cut-backs, I think there would be insufficient new content to maintain BBC 4 as a linear channel.
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I think the BBC is constrained from acting like Disney because it's a PSB. I think those without broadband or without good quality broadband would be unhappy to pay a licence fee without the guarantee of reliable access outside a web-based platform.

As regards BBC 3, I get the irony here but due to cut-backs, I think there would be insufficient new content to maintain BBC 4 as a linear channel.
Agreed, so they would be better just ditching the channel and save the cost of running it.
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Agreed, so they would be better just ditching the channel and save the cost of running it.
Actually I think thatís what they are doing - 1 and 2 between them are more than capable of picking up the slack so far as broadcast arts content goes. On iPlayer, BBC4 need be no more than an arts brand that can be used to group arts content from across the BBC in one place.
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Actually I think thatís what they are doing - 1 and 2 between them are more than capable of picking up the slack so far as broadcast arts content goes. On iPlayer, BBC4 need be no more than an arts brand that can be used to group arts content from across the BBC in one place.
Yes, I think thatís absolutely right, and it conforms absolutely to my belief that ultimately all content will be categorised rather than split by channels in the way they are now when IPTV becomes the sole method of access. This is because the labels BBC1, BBC2, etc will become meaningless when all the content is to be found on the same streaming platform.
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Yes, I think that’s absolutely right, and it conforms absolutely to my belief that ultimately all content will be categorised rather than split by channels in the way they are now when IPTV becomes the sole method of access. This is because the labels BBC1, BBC2, etc will become meaningless when all the content is to be found on the same streaming platform.
And if your Internet buffers, no tv. Linear/freeview has its advantages, its far more robust.
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And if your Internet buffers, no tv. Linear/freeview has its advantages, its far more robust.
That will improve, Mr K.
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Yes, I think thatís absolutely right, and it conforms absolutely to my belief that ultimately all content will be categorised rather than split by channels in the way they are now when IPTV becomes the sole method of access. This is because the labels BBC1, BBC2, etc will become meaningless when all the content is to be found on the same streaming platform.
I agree that channel names are meaningless in a streaming environment, but really this only applies in a streaming-only environment. BBC1 and 2 as identifiers within the iPlayer would only become obsolete if iPlayer were to lose its catch-up functionality, and it wonít lose that as long as itís hosting material that has first been broadcast. For the time being the genre headings are already in iPlayer and anyone can browse under them if they choose. Whether the BBC will become streaming only in the next 10 years (or 20, or 30) is of course the whole question that keeps this thread going.
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I agree that channel names are meaningless in a streaming environment, but really this only applies in a streaming-only environment. BBC1 and 2 as identifiers within the iPlayer would only become obsolete if iPlayer were to lose its catch-up functionality, and it wonít lose that as long as itís hosting material that has first been broadcast. For the time being the genre headings are already in iPlayer and anyone can browse under them if they choose. Whether the BBC will become streaming only in the next 10 years (or 20, or 30) is of course the whole question that keeps this thread going.
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my belief that ultimately all content will be categorised rather than split by channels
What is the difference between a category and a channel?
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What is the difference between a category and a channel?
It depends on the extent to which the channel is themed. For the commercial PSBs plus BBC1 and 2, itís a very significant difference because they are all generalist channels. For what we used to call digital multi channel tv thereís generally a lot less difference because the channels are already heavily themed.

The biggest noticeable shift *if* we went streaming only would be in pubic service tv. These operators would have to decide whether their channel brands could survive the change and how useful they would be as indicators of what they were offering. Does a BBC ONE brand, for example, make any sense if youíre not looking for something that was broadcast on BBC1, but rather a decent drama that could have been on any one of their channels?

I should add that itís in this area the ďstreaming onlyĒ argument is weakest because I think it underestimates the usefulness and the popularity of a curated schedule. Plenty of people donít know exactly what they want and are happy for the controller of a channel brand they trust to decide for them.
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It depends on the extent to which the channel is themed. For the commercial PSBs plus BBC1 and 2, it’s a very significant difference because they are all generalist channels. For what we used to call digital multi channel tv there’s generally a lot less difference because the channels are already heavily themed.

The biggest noticeable shift *if* we went streaming only would be in pubic service tv. These operators would have to decide whether their channel brands could survive the change and how useful they would be as indicators of what they were offering. Does a BBC ONE brand, for example, make any sense if you’re not looking for something that was broadcast on BBC1, but rather a decent drama that could have been on any one of their channels?

I should add that it’s in this area the “streaming only” argument is weakest because I think it underestimates the usefulness and the popularity of a curated schedule. Plenty of people don’t know exactly what they want and are happy for the controller of a channel brand they trust to decide for them.
I agree with your explanation of the difference between categories and channels. And that has been my point all along - when channels are IPTV only, differentiating, say, BBC 1 and BBC 2 will be pointless. Pulling all the game shows, documentaries, films, dramas etc into their appropriate categories makes much more sense.

As for broadcast TV, its days are limited.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/what-happe...cleared-for-5g

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Will any further TV frequencies be cleared for 5G or other mobile services?

That’s under consideration. Next year, delegates from around the world will attend the World Radiocommunication Conference (WRC-2023), where this is an agenda item.

The WRC is organised by the ITU, a United Nations agency. At their conferences, decisions are made over the global use of frequencies and which services should use them. There are three ‘regions’, the UK, EU and Africa are in region 1. Some, particularly in the mobile industry, are pushing for further TV frequencies to be made available for mobile services. This would bring region 1 in line with region 2, which includes the USA and Canada. Here, the 600 MHz band is already used for mobile services, with terrestrial TV increasingly shunted into the VHF band.

Others want region 1 to adopt a shared use for the remaining TV frequencies, allowing them to be used for a variety of technologies. TV and PMSE (Programme Making and Special Events) would no longer have exclusive rights. There is great opposition, with African Union countries demanding no change to current usage. European broadcasters also object. Ofcom hasn’t yet confirmed its position.

But whichever decisions are made, the UK will have to abide by them. That’s why there is ongoing uncertainty over the future of terrestrial television beyond 2030.

Beyond 2030

All new multiplex licences will contain a revocation clause, which can be activated from 31st December 2025 giving the multiplex operator five year’s notice. Effectively, this means that viewers would get five years to some point in the 2030s that their TV service is being switched off. If the licences are not prematurely revoked, then they will expire naturally in 2034.

Other countries are pushing for 5G Broadcast to replace the current digital terrestrial TV service. It could use the current terrestrial transmitter network to deliver an open-access signal to all types of device. However, the UK has not signalled any push to 5G Broadcast or any other alternative. By 2034, TV frequencies may not been needed for anymore 5G services, but 6G.
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https://advanced-television.com/2022...o-be-streamed/

Anthony Wood, CEO of streaming and device platform specialist Roku, has predicted that, eventually, all TV will move to streaming platforms, with advertisers following the audience away from traditional linear TV broadcasts.

Speaking to CNBC at the Cannes Lions festival on Roku’s take on the ad market, Wood said that “all television is going to be streamed. That means all TV advertising is going to be streamed”.


But we knew that, didn’t we? You heard it here first, after all!
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So the head of a company whose entire line of business is providing streaming devices is predicting that all TV is going to be streamed?
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So the head of a company whose entire line of business is providing streaming devices is predicting that all TV is going to be streamed?
Itís almost as if these people go to events like this to promote their products Ö
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So the head of a company whose entire line of business is providing streaming devices is predicting that all TV is going to be streamed?
I think he knows what heís talking about. Iíd rather be listening to people like him than these diehard establishment figures who are constantly resisting change.

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Itís almost as if these people go to events like this to promote their products Ö
They do, but it doesnít mean that we shouldnít listen to them.
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