Brexit (Old)

There is a common travel area within the entire British Isles and you do not need a passport in order to fulfil immigration requirements, but if you’re using an airline, rather than a ferry, both immigration and the airline itself may demand to see photographic ID.

I spent a couple of years traveling to and from Dublin once a fortnight on Aer Lingus. Both the airline and the Glasgow and Dublin immigration desks were happy with my driving licence.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think you are being too simplistic, maybe disingenuously even.

Resentments lie deep in the psyche which is stronger as the attached ancestral history extends. It's obvious that Varadkar has adopted the resentments.

As to Javid, we're talking about antagonisms here - not the status of British ethnic individuals. I hope he cheers the England cricket team.

So you keep saying, but I have seen no evidence of it amongst the Irish I know - however, I have seen lots of resentment from you towards the Irish, French, and Germans, so perhaps you are projecting?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Even before we both joined the EU, I believe that since the 1930's the UK & Ireland have had a reciprocal agreement where people are free to live between the two countries. I was also under the impression that a passport wasn't needed.

I'm thinking of visiting Ireland when i'm well enough (it will be after Brexut day) and initially thought that I wouldn't need to renew my passport but, apparently, the airlines sometimes insist on a passport!?

Yeah, some airlines will only accept a passport as ID - Ryanair comes to mind. Others are OK with photo ID (British Airways, Aer Lingus for example) Best check with your airline...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

There is a common travel area within the entire British Isles and you do not need a passport in order to fulfil immigration requirements, but if you’re using an airline, rather than a ferry, both immigration and the airline itself may demand to see photographic ID.

I spent a couple of years traveling to and from Dublin once a fortnight on Aer Lingus. Both the airline and the Glasgow and Dublin immigration desks were happy with my driving licence.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Yeah, some airlines will only accept a passport as ID - Ryanair comes to mind. Others are OK with photo ID (British Airways, Aer Lingus for example) Best check with your airline...

Thanks, it seems that different airlines have different rules then. I take it that the ferry don't require a passport, but will presumably want photo ID?

Does anyone know how long it takes on a ferry? It might be easier for me, depending upon how long it takes. I've only ever been via British Airways and don't recall them ever needing a passport, but assumed that this was because both countries were in the EU.

I was once told that, technically, you don't even need a passport to travel to any other EU country, but in practice this is likely to cause problems. If countries are going to circumvent the freedom of movement rules, it makes a mockery of them and makes the whole thing pointless!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So you keep saying, but I have seen no evidence of it amongst the Irish I know - however, I have seen lots of resentment from you towards the Irish, French, and Germans, so perhaps you are projecting?

But are both of them a big enough sample to arrive at a conclusion.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

But are both of them a big enough sample to arrive at a conclusion.

The onus here is on Seph to support his statement with evidence, not the other way round.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

There is a common travel area within the entire British Isles and you do not need a passport in order to fulfil immigration requirements, but if you’re using an airline, rather than a ferry, both immigration and the airline itself may demand to see photographic ID.

I spent a couple of years traveling to and from Dublin once a fortnight on Aer Lingus. Both the airline and the Glasgow and Dublin immigration desks were happy with my driving licence.

Couldn't the common travel area be used as a way to resolve the Irish border problem ie if the UK is no longer part of the EU, couldn't things carry on as they were because of this?

I'm sure it's not that simple though, or politicians/civil servants would have thought of this already.

[jfman]

I think we all know he can’t, at ps is just joking with reference to polls.

The Sinn Fein President was on Marr who suggested they take their seats in the House of Commons and she quite rightly said they have no business in a British Parliament and that it should look after itself and Ireland look after itself. Not an unreasonable proposition, and one that would be likely supported by Brexiteers but for the fact they have to pay lip service to the DUP.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Couldn't the common travel area be used as a way to resolve the Irish border problem ie if the UK is no longer part of the EU, couldn't things carry on as they were because of this?

I'm sure it's not that simple though, or politicians/civil servants would have thought of this already.

The problem isn’t people, it’s goods and services.

The EU don’t want us as a back door for any old crap (chlorinated chicken etc.) entering the EU.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

But are both of them a big enough sample to arrive at a conclusion.

I'm from an Irish Catholic family - two kids are the minimum per offspring - i'm one of five (surviving) siblings, I have four offspring (from two marriages), oldest brother has three offspring, next bro has two, next bro has five, sister has three, and my dad one of of 8 children, and my mum one of six, all of whom are similar numbers of offspring (and that's not counting all the second cousins and friends) - and that's just the immediate family and friends, not counting relatives back in Ireland.

Your premise is not based on actuality...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I'm from an Irish Catholic family - two kids are the minimum per offspring - i'm one of five (surviving) siblings, I have four offspring (from two marriages), oldest brother has three offspring, next bro has two, next bro has five, sister has three, and my dad one of of 8 children, and my mum one of six, all of whom are similar numbers of offspring (and that's not counting all the second cousins and friends) - and that's just the immediate family and friends, not counting relatives back in Ireland.

Your premise is not based on actuality...

If any of your parents or grandparents were Irish, you will be entitled to Irish citizenship and/or an Irish passport if you want them. Unless you did this before your children were born, you wouldn't be able to pass this on to them though.

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Northern Ireland voted to remain, I wonder if they've considered a way round this to be to allow NI to stay in the EU??

However, this could then result in England, Wales and Scotland calling to remain as well (if any of these countries voted to remain too).

Edit: Scotland voted to remain, whilst Wales and England both voted to leave.

If NI was allowed to stay in the EU as a country, I suspect that Scottish remainers would call for the the same arrangement to also be applied to Scotland.

[jfman]

The SNP have been calling for any special arrangement for Northern Ireland (e.g. staying in the customs union) to apply to Scotland. However the DUP won’t allow special arrangements for NI. They’d collapse the Government first.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The onus here is on Seph to support his statement with evidence, not the other way round.

I provided a link to a Torygraph article.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If any of your parents or grandparents were Irish, you will be entitled to Irish citizenship and/or an Irish passport if you want them. Unless you did this before your children were born, you wouldn't be able to pass this on to them though.

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Northern Ireland voted to remain, I wonder if they've considered a way round this to be to allow NI to stay in the EU??

However, this could then result in England, Wales and Scotland calling to remain as well (if any of these countries voted to remain too).

Edit: Scotland voted to remain, whilst Wales and England both voted to leave.

If NI was allowed to stay in the EU as a country, I suspect that Scottish remainers would call for the the same arrangement to also be applied to Scotland.

None of the home nations voted for anything.

This was a United Kingdom ballot on a matter concerning the United Kingdom. Every U.K. voter cast a single vote of equal worth, on an issue which they understood would apply to the whole U.K. In Scotland in particular, when the independence vote was held in September 2014 the EU referendum was already a policy the Tory party was publicly committed to pursue after the 2015 general election. Nobody in Scotland can claim they didn’t know that remaining in the U.K. entailed a vote on whether the U.K. would remain in the EU, regardless of anything any outraged, spinning nationalist politician might tell you.

To say that Scotland voted for one thing or another is to co-opt the votes of everyone in Scotland who voted the other way. Co-opting voices and claiming their support is a trick right out of the nationalist playbook, as is demanding that things be done differently on their turf, because it serves the longer term aim of differentiation.

Yes, the SNP would demand Scotland be treated differently if Northern Ireland was, but that demand would have nothing to do with the very particular circumstances of Northern Ireland and everything to do with trying to create similar circumstances in Scotland.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

None of the home nations voted for anything.

This was a United Kingdom ballot on a matter concerning the United Kingdom. Every U.K. voter cast a single vote of equal worth, on an issue which they understood would apply to the whole U.K. In Scotland in particular, when the independence vote was held in September 2014 the EU referendum was already a policy the Tory party was publicly committed to pursue after the 2015 general election. Nobody in Scotland can claim they didn’t know that remaining in the U.K. entailed a vote on whether the U.K. would remain in the EU, regardless of anything any outraged, spinning nationalist politician might tell you.

To say that Scotland voted for one thing or another is to co-opt the votes of everyone in Scotland who voted the other way. Co-opting voices and claiming their support is a trick right out of the nationalist playbook, as is demanding that things be done differently on their turf, because it serves the longer term aim of differentiation.

Yes, the SNP would demand Scotland be treated differently if Northern Ireland was, but that demand would have nothing to do with the very particular circumstances of Northern Ireland and everything to do with trying to create similar circumstances in Scotland.

I don't think it will happen tbh, also, if NI was treated differently to the rest of the UK, the DUP would probably object. I only hope that, whatever happens, the troubles don't resurface.

The whole thing seems to be more complicated than what a lot of people realised, apparent solutions to various issues only serve to be objectionable to others.

[jfman]

If the troubles do arise it’s because England are ignoring the will of the island of Ireland. So not entirely new that trouble flares elsewhere because of bad decisions made in London. That’s virtually the whole collapse of the Empire in a nutshell.