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Pierre · 06-01-2019, 22:18

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I am sorry to disappoint but how you may choose is not a representative sample.

Nor are the polls!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Whilst I don't think there will be a referendum and nor do I want one, there is no law that says it has to be binary. There are lots of ways of formulating a referendum...and that in itself has potential for controversy.

But to replicate the original vote, it has to be a binary choice.

Carth · 06-01-2019, 22:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There are lots of ways of formulating a referendum...and that in itself has potential for controversy.

It certainly does, for example a 3 choice vote consisting of:

*No Deal
*Mays Deal
*Remain

would effectively split the 'leaving' votes while leaving the Remain votes as they were.

It would have to be Binary . . but since there won't be one it's just hot air

1andrew1 · 06-01-2019, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Carth

It certainly does, for example a 3 choice vote consisting of:

*No Deal
*Mays Deal
*Remain

would effectively split the 'leaving' votes while leaving the Remain votes as they were.

It would have to be Binary . . but since there won't be one it's just hot air

A referendum is unlikely in my opinion but need not be binary. You could have transferable votes when one option is eliminated and the votes transfer to the second choice, for example.
The example you provide also splits the historic remain vote as I'm sure that some previous remain-voters would now vote for her deal and not remain.

**Chris** · 06-01-2019, 23:48

At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.

Dave42 · 06-01-2019, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Chris

At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.

May said again on tv today no Brexit at all though

1andrew1 · 07-01-2019, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Chris

At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.

I don't think a referendum is likely but interestingly Theresa May has moderated here language on it today, stating it was her “own view” that a second vote would divide the country.
Governments can move quickly if need be. How long does it physically need to pass such legislation? A day? We're in uncharted territory here so nothing can be ruled out.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

But to replicate the original vote, it has to be a binary choice.

Obviously as that's the definition of replicate. The pertinent question here is - does it have to replicate the 2016 referendum?
But all pretty hypothetical to me as I think a second referendum unlikely.

**Chris** · 07-01-2019, 00:22

Her language acknowledges that when Parliament reconvenes, some arch-remainers May try to insert an amendment in the vote on the deal to make it contingent on a second referendum. Have no doubt, this argument is going to come up, and May is setting out her position in advance.

However, regardless of anything Parliament decides, there is not time to actually pass a referendum bill before we leave anyway. All they risk is forcing us to hold a referendum having already left with no deal. This has been her strategy for some weeks now - run the clock down. It’s her deal or no deal. We’re leaving in March. Article 50 will not be rescinded before we leave.

1andrew1 · 07-01-2019, 01:30

Good to see some MPs sticking up for the manufacturing sector.

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More than 200 MPs want PM to rule out no-deal Brexit
The politicians are from the Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat, SNP and Plaid Cymru parties and the letter was written by Meriden MP Caroline Spelman and Birmingham Erdington MP Jack Dromey.
The group is concerned about the effect of a no-deal Brexit on the manufacturing industry.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than...rexit-11600823

**Paul** · 07-01-2019, 04:22

Im sure there is no self interest there at all

**Damien** · 07-01-2019, 07:15

With Article 50 it is thought that the EU will allow an extension if they feel there is proper reason for one, I.e not to just have longer negotiations.

**Mick** · 07-01-2019, 08:15

Over 200 cowards then that can’t see that if the UK plays a tough hand and that we’re prepared to walk away, we can fight for a much better deal. But oh no, they want to show weakness.

mrmistoffelees · 07-01-2019, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Mick

Over 200 cowards then that can’t see that if the UK plays a tough hand and that we’re prepared to walk away, we can fight for a much better deal. But oh no, they want to show weakness.

Do you actually have any evidence to support this will happen? Has there been any simulations or projections to show this would happen? I don't think there has to my knowledge.

We made the decision to leave the EU, we do not get to dictate the terms of how we exit. It's very simple.

**Damien** · 07-01-2019, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Nor are the polls!

Irrespective of if you think the polls are accurate or not they are literally meant to be a representative sample.

mrmistoffelees · 07-01-2019, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Chris

At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.

Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow

papa smurf · 07-01-2019, 10:07

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow

Just wondering if you have a date booked for the civil war that remainers are steering us towards ,17.4 million voters aren't going to just sit on their hands and watch their vote thrown in the garbage.